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re: 13 Baltimore city schools have 0 students proficient in math
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:02 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:02 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
I would bet that between those 13 schools, there are at least 150 kids in each grade level that would be good students if separated from absolute dregs of society they're forced to be around in the classroom. And there is probably a ton more kids that would be okay students if the bad actors and constant disruptions were removed from the class.
But these are things that aren't allowed to happen. We have to let the absolute worst of the students drag everyone down to their level, giving no one a chance.
But these are things that aren't allowed to happen. We have to let the absolute worst of the students drag everyone down to their level, giving no one a chance.
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:03 pm to WHS
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Yea, those students who were proficient went to the private schools in the area.
I seriously doubt that EVERY child who was capable of being grade proficient in the city of Baltimore went to private school.
Seems to me that many are short shifting an entire group of children to protect the reputation of some teachers.
This school system OBVIOUSLY needs some work, that can't be denied, and ignoring that teachers should be included in that work is just being silly.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:05 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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And again Im saying I do not believe that in 13 fricking schools in one city EVERY student was a shitty student with no help from their parents who the teachers did the best they could , but those damn dirty , stupid little negro kids weren't having it.
Damn that is racist, throwing little black kids under the bus to protect teachers. WOW
And there we have it, folks. You're the only person who has mentioned race here (and in real poor form, btw).
FWIW, the behavior I'm talking about is a function of low SES households, not race. I'm ashamed you're a school board member anywhere.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:07 pm to ProjectP2294
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I would bet that between those 13 schools, there are at least 150 kids in each grade level that would be good students if separated from absolute dregs of society they're forced to be around in the classroom. And there is probably a ton more kids that would be okay students if the bad actors and constant disruptions were removed from the class.
But these are things that aren't allowed to happen. We have to let the absolute worst of the students drag everyone down to their level, giving no one a chance.
Oh, I agree with you on this point. THat's why I laugh when people compare private school students to public school students. It's an unfair comparison because private schools simply remove the poor performers from the equation.
But even at that, not a SINGLE grade proficient student? Honestly, I don't even see how you could do that if you set it as your goal. Like if you just said "okay this year we're not going to have one student pass their grade level exam, not one" you would think that 10 or 20 would do just by chance. Something is wrong here, we're talking thousands of kids, hundreds of teachers and administrators, maybe the entire school system does just need to be shut down. Those kids would be better off just going and getting a job now.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:08 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Teachers are in a war zone in those places. No one gets taught. Teachers just try to survive.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:08 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
A bad situation overall. You start out with a group with much lower IQ, parents who don't care, and teachers who can barely get their kids to show up, much less learn anything.
I really feel bad for the few kids with high IQs that can't learn because their teachers give up, or they are to afraid of the ridicule from other students. Smart African Americans have it rough from their own communities.
I really feel bad for the few kids with high IQs that can't learn because their teachers give up, or they are to afraid of the ridicule from other students. Smart African Americans have it rough from their own communities.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:09 pm to ibldprplgld
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FWIW, the behavior I'm talking about is a function of low SES households, not race. I'm ashamed you're a school board member anywhere.
My school is one of the top performing schools in our state and I am not just a good school member, but a great one because EVERY decision I make is based on one thing. WHat's best for the children.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:09 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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I seriously doubt that EVERY child who was capable of being grade proficient in the city of Baltimore went to private school.
Seems to me that many are short shifting an entire group of children to protect the reputation of some teachers.
This school system OBVIOUSLY needs some work, that can't be denied, and ignoring that teachers should be included in that work is just being silly.
I agree with you that there are teachers in that district who are part of the problem as well as administration etc. The main problem is the parents and culture of that area point blank and simple. I have taught in an area like that and there is nothing that the good teachers can do to change it. I think it is possible for not one student to be proficient in math because of the culture of the area based off of my experience teaching in a similar area. At the all black school I taught at, the Valedictorian had a 2.4 GPA and an 18 on the ACT.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:10 pm to ibldprplgld
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And there we have it, folks. You're the only person who has mentioned race here (and in real poor form, btw).
Hogs and I have disagreed plenty in the past, but you're misinterpreting his words or twisting them - I'll presume the former.
His statement isn't a mark on the race of the children in a negative - he is using a statement to press upon you the mentality of those in power in the Baltimore School System.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:10 pm to CleverUserName
Bet the students can count how many bags of hot fries they have in their pantry and how many rounds they have in their guns on Call of Duty
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:14 pm to WHS
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I can promise you that this is not the teachers fault. It all starts with parents and culcha!
Parents and their genetics.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:15 pm to skrayper
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Hogs and I have disagreed plenty in the past, but you're misinterpreting his words or twisting them - I'll presume the former.
His statement isn't a mark on the race of the children in a negative - he is using a statement to press upon you the mentality of those in power in the Baltimore School System.
Exactly
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:22 pm to CleverUserName
I always thought Obama had a real opportunity to help young black kids if he dedicated his post-Presidency to focusing on rebuilding the culture and family structure in the African-American community. Really get into weeds and work with schools. Don’t make anything political, just focus on helping AA youth improve themselves and their communities. Make himself an example to young AA men. The development of boys is neglected in our culture in general and that is especially true for young AA boys.
Of course that will never happen. It’s a shame that his political beliefs are counter to that because he could really reach a lot of these communities.
We’ve gotten to the point where personal responsibility isn’t even a narrative anymore.
Of course that will never happen. It’s a shame that his political beliefs are counter to that because he could really reach a lot of these communities.
We’ve gotten to the point where personal responsibility isn’t even a narrative anymore.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:25 pm to Montezuma
I came here specifically to post my usual The Wire math gif.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:27 pm to FairhopeTider
quote:The single biggest danger of identity politics and focusing on "systematic" oppression.
We’ve gotten to the point where personal responsibility isn’t even a narrative anymore.
The black community's priorities are totally warped right now, and opportunistic politicians are to blame.
You don't go into these areas of the country and win by stressing the need for self-improvement among both individuals and culture. You win these areas by preaching to attack "the system" and "the people holding y'all down"
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:28 pm to FairhopeTider
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I always thought Obama had a real opportunity to help young black kids if he dedicated his post-Presidency to focusing on rebuilding the culture and family structure in the African-American community. Really get into weeds and work with schools. Don’t make anything political, just focus on helping AA youth improve themselves and their communities. Make himself an example to young AA men. The development of boys is neglected in our culture in general and that is especially true for young AA boys.
Of course that will never happen. It’s a shame that his political beliefs are counter to that because he could really reach a lot of these communities.
We’ve gotten to the point where personal responsibility isn’t even a narrative anymore.
That will remain as his largest failure as President. Blacks were worse off at the end of his 8 years than they were at the beginning of his 8 years (as a whole I mean) that's sad, blacks finally get the black President they wanted and boom he hurts them more than helps them.
What's even sadder is it barely put a dent in the percentage of blacks who voted D in the next election cycle.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:29 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
quote:I would hope you do. I'm not saying administrators and teachers aren't without responsibility, but you have to acknowledge that in many cases, teachers are hamstrung from doing their job because of little to no parental support.
EVERY decision I make is based on one thing. WHat's best for the children.
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My school is one of the top performing schools in our state
This is awesome, and I'd bet if you ask the teachers at higher performing schools, they'd report much more parental involvement and support than teachers in lower performing schools.
I have three close friends who are teachers, 1 teaches in a private school and 2 in public. Getting together (especially around this time of year) with all of them is interesting. The way they explain how they are treated by parents is astounding, and the differences are staggering. The private school teacher knows many of her kids parents, and has seen them multiple times since August, both upon her request for parent-teacher conferences and otherwise. The two public school teachers say they couldn't pick their kid's parents out of line-up if their lives depended on it -- until late April when they suddenly come around pissed off that their child is "suddenly" failing. Incidentally, of the two who are currently teaching in public schools, one is looking into switching to a private school for a pay cut, and the other wants to get out of education altogether.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:29 pm to DeadFish
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The Left's approach to black poverty and education has been to make effort.
The Right's approach to black poverty and education has been to simply not give a F, make no attempt, and sit back ridiculing the failures of those who at least tried.
Holy hell...post less.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:36 pm to CleverUserName
I assume white folks are to blame for this, right?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:38 pm to CleverUserName
Give them space to protest.
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