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re: 2 black guys arrested at a Philadelphia Starbucks by 8 cops
Posted on 4/16/18 at 9:52 am to Fudgepacker01
Posted on 4/16/18 at 9:52 am to Fudgepacker01
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if I purchase something through the drive-thru am I entitled to the same privileges as someone who sits in the shop and utilizes the location's resources? Basically if a guy sits in a Starbucks for 3 hours only having ordered 1 drink and I went through the drive-thru am I entitled to come back to that location at a future time and also sit for 3 hours without having to order an additional drink due to my previous purchase?
I'd say it's entirely up to the discretion of the management. Sometimes that will inevitably result in certain managers making stupid or unreasonable requests for people to leave. It ain't the biggest issue in the world.
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 10:25 am to ChewyDante
This is not to you in particular. I am responding because it is the latest post. Sure it is the businesses’ right to see that they are escorted off the premises. But I wonder what would happen the next time some of you Frickers go to a restaurant and are waiting for the rest of your party. I would bet the house that the responses would be completely different here if the management insisted that you all absolutely leave the premises and parking lot until the entire party arrives. The OT would be the first place that some of you would come here and whine and complain about. And for the brave souls that would choose to wait right outside of the restaurant, you all would lose your shite if the cops showed up.
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 10:26 am
Posted on 4/16/18 at 9:52 pm to SheManShe
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The OT would be the first place that some of you would come here and whine and complain about. And for the brave souls that would choose to wait right outside of the restaurant, you all would lose your shite if the cops showed up.
I think you have a valid point, but I think the main issue here is that people think the cops did something wrong when they were simply following policy as the Black Chief said.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 1:49 am to Epic Cajun
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It's not a public bathroom. It's a private bathroom that is available to paying customers, specifically used to deter the general public from using it
I understand that but needing a code to use the bathroom is synonymous with there being lots of trashy people around.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 2:06 am to vilma4prez
Guess you were wrong
Posted on 4/17/18 at 2:13 am to TutHillTiger
This site is undeniable proof that racism is alive and well. I wish all you fricking idiots would realize that cops are shooting innocent unarmed white kids weekly too. Cops are completely out of control in much of the country. Not sure if it is too many veterans of Iraqi, and Afghanistan, lower quality recruits, poor training or what but it is serious problems. Too many Cops are just like army troops in a combat zone in too many areas. Shot first ask questions later. ( Quote from retired police chief)
This should have never been an arrest. Incredibly stupid, and they will be writing a check
This should have never been an arrest. Incredibly stupid, and they will be writing a check
Posted on 4/17/18 at 2:19 am to LSUbase13
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but is it normal to go into a business, sit down, and not order anything? You are taking up space for people who patronize the business.
At Starbucks it kind of is. People go there to use the free wifi, it's generally a safe place to meet if you are doing something like buying things off craigslist or meeting a realtor, college kids will go there to do homework... There have been many times I've gone to a SB to meet people and didn't order anything. To be fair, I can't recall ever needing a code to use a restroom at any of the ones I've been to so perhaps this is a regional issue. Maybe it's SB's fault for going too easy on non paying customers for so many years but SB really has become a sort of second office/home for quite a few people.
I get why the cops did what they did. It's not really their job to tell a manager if they're being a prick. It's just a bad look for SB that it seems like the other people at this particular store were genuinely surprised these dudes were getting kicked out.
This post was edited on 4/17/18 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 4/17/18 at 5:23 am to TutHillTiger
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This should have never been an arrest.
So you are saying when a police officer tells you to leave and you refuse, there should not be an arrest?
Posted on 4/17/18 at 6:01 am to TutHillTiger
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Incredibly stupid, and they will be writing a check
While I agree that is probably what will happen, I have to wonder why. Their feelings are apparently hurt. The CEO has apologized to them. Does this hurting of feelings now merit retirement money? Baller money? Enough to buy a bicycle?
How much does hurting someone's feelings cost? Does the fat payday have a racial requirement?
I would like to see this expedited so that every time my feelings get hurt I can go to Butthurt.com, click on my account and have a check sent. Where do I sign up for that?
Posted on 4/17/18 at 7:41 am to Hangit
You probably won’t ‘qualify’
Posted on 4/17/18 at 8:25 am to TutHillTiger
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This site is undeniable proof that racism is alive and wel
that may be true of a few posters, but the more accurate generalization is that this site is full of simple minded posters who dont want to deal with the complexities of a situation so they just tell themselves, "oh i'm sure they deserved it. they were probably doing something wrong" so they don't have to confront an uncomfortable reality.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 8:28 am to King of New Orleans
Good on Starbucks to call the cops even though they hate law enforcement
The only way this could've worked out better is if the owner defended his property with his concealed carry
The only way this could've worked out better is if the owner defended his property with his concealed carry
Posted on 4/17/18 at 8:41 am to REG861
Both. Racism IS alive and well (and this site is proof of that) AND many posters are simple-minded.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 8:42 am to REG861
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so they don't have to confront an uncomfortable reality.
What is this reality? Private property rights?
Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:01 am to NIH
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What is this reality? Private property rights?
Classic case of grossly simplifying the issue, right here. A private business can’t refuse to serve someone on the basis of race, for example, so ‘private property rights’ as an end all really isn’t an argument. It also ignores the ridiculous overreaction of law enforcement here and the thorny issue of race.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:15 am to REG861
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ridiculous overreaction of law enforcement here
Which was what exactly? They were asked to remove the guys from the store, by the store. What are they supposed to do, ignore the store and not enforce the law? They were professional and gave the guys several outs to leave without getting arressted. They did nothing to escalate the situation.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:28 am to SUB
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Which was what exactly? They were asked to remove the guys from the store, by the store. What are they supposed to do, ignore the store and not enforce the law? They were professional and gave the guys several outs to leave without getting arressted. They did nothing to escalate the situation.
ok maybe it's unfair to blame the cops but the outcome, ending in arrests, was a ridiculous overreaction imo. I don't think it's the hallmark of a great society when a business can sic the cops on any one who makes them feel uncomfortable (although clearly others here prefer that). I also don't think the customers in question did themselves any favors once the cops were called but at the same time I can't blame them for being defensive.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:29 am to REG861
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A private business can’t refuse to serve someone on the basis of race, for example, so ‘private property rights’ as an end all really isn’t an argument.
Strawman. Talk about simplifying an issue.
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also ignores the ridiculous overreaction of law enforcement here and the thorny issue of race.
Law enforcement showed up to a call by a business that someone refused to leave the premises. That's their DUTY! When they showed up the people in question refused to leave. The cops did EXACTLY what their duty requires of them. The individuals in question had multiple opportunities to leave without being arrested. It's not the cops' fault.
That being said, the question of whether or not the demand for them to leave was reasonable or not clearly rests on the Starbucks employee who made the call, not the police. Lots of people jumping to conclusions with a lack of information. Assuming it was an example of racism is just as stupid as assuming anything else without knowing all the facts.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:33 am to ChewyDante
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Strawman. Talk about simplifying an issue.
No, not really, sorry. He threw out "private property rights" like it was the simple explanation to a very complex situation. I used an example of a situation that undermined the "private property rights" argument. That's not a strawman, that's a valid counter argument.
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Law enforcement showed up to a call by a business that someone refused to leave the premises. That's their DUTY! When they showed up the people in question refused to leave. The cops did EXACTLY what their duty requires of them. The individuals in question had multiple opportunities to leave without being arrested. It's not the cops' fault.
i clarified my earlier comment.
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That being said, the question of whether or not the demand for them to leave was reasonable or not clearly rests on the Starbucks employee who made the call, not the police. Lots of people jumping to conclusions with a lack of information. Assuming it was an example of racism is just as stupid as assuming anything else without knowing all the facts.
I blame the starbucks employees above anyone, although the two customers could have responded differently. I think the outcome probably would have been different if they were white. And look at the comments in this thread. The two guys have been called gang bangers and suspected laptop thieves on no basis of fact whatsoever.
This post was edited on 4/17/18 at 9:36 am
Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:37 am to REG861
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The two guys have been called gang bangers and suspected laptop thieves on no basis of fact whatsoever.
And the cops and workers have been labeled as racists. Stop trying to make it something it is not.
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