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Flats Boats/limitations/advice needed

Posted on 4/11/18 at 12:28 pm
Posted by Slickback
Deer Stand
Member since Mar 2008
27686 posts
Posted on 4/11/18 at 12:28 pm
Who all here has flats boats and what do you like/not like about them?

What’s their limitations? Anybody freshwater fish out of them?

I’m looking around at boats and found a bang up deal on one, but worried about the versatility. I know their great for redfishing the inner marshes and can handle a little chop but I’m worried about bringing it to the spillway and bass/sacaulait fishing from it.

Anybody have one that they regret buying?
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
16603 posts
Posted on 4/11/18 at 12:42 pm to
quote:

Who all here has flats boats and what do you like/not like about them?


All depends on make/model, and what you define as a flats boat.

Generally speaking there is a direct trade-off between draft and open water capability.

Care to let the OB know what you are looking at?
This post was edited on 4/11/18 at 12:46 pm
Posted by Slickback
Deer Stand
Member since Mar 2008
27686 posts
Posted on 4/11/18 at 1:11 pm to
Champion Back Country Flats 169
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
16603 posts
Posted on 4/11/18 at 1:17 pm to
Good boat. Shouldn't have any issues with what you want you are wanting to do with it. Might not have as much storage as a typical bass boat but enough for regular amount of gear.

If its the one I'm thinking about then it is indeed a good price for that boat.
Posted by Homey the Clown
Member since Feb 2009
5720 posts
Posted on 4/11/18 at 2:45 pm to
I had a 14x36 flat that i just sold. Only bc it was too narrow. Got a 16x48 flat now. I plan on going everywhere besides big lake and toledo bend in it. That includes bayous, marsh, lakes, etc. If its choppy, it will be rough, but if i managed all those places in a 14x36 flat, then ill be fine in a 16x48. Besides, its only rough when youre running, and in the bodies of water i fish, theres always less than a 30min boat ride. I considered getting a semi v to help with the chop, but the cost increases significantly going from a flat bottom to a semi v. At least brand new there is. But where i typically fish, chop isnt a huge issue, and i like being able to fish shallow water.
Posted by CaptainZappin
Acadiana
Member since Oct 2016
266 posts
Posted on 4/12/18 at 1:13 pm to
Im in the process of completely retrofitting at 1448 alweld to a flats boat. I wanted to be able to get skinny in the marsh, and basically had the boat given to me. I'll post updates and pictures if I can figure it out once I'm done. I know it's not going to be useful in the bays, but I think it will be perfect in the backwater and even for duck hunting in Arkansas.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 4/12/18 at 1:15 pm to
We've fished lake decade in our camp boat before and verret many many times.

For what you're looking to do as long as you're not a dumbass with it you'll be good
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
16603 posts
Posted on 4/12/18 at 1:38 pm to
Just for clarity sake

This is a flat boat


This is a flats boat. Which is what OP is referring to
Posted by bluemoons
the marsh
Member since Oct 2012
5523 posts
Posted on 4/12/18 at 1:40 pm to
quote:

Who all here has flats boats and what do you like/not like about them?




I have an East Cape Fury. I'd draw a distinction between a skiff and a flats boat, but kind of irrelevant to your question.

quote:



What’s their limitations? Anybody freshwater fish out of them?


Make no mistake about it. Skiffs are limited boats. Builders like to advertise their boats as capable of handling big water, capable of floating shallow, capable of running fast, etc. Lots of that is bullshite. Everything is a tradeoff with a skiff. Ability to handle big water offsets its ability to float shallow. Ability to float shallow and pole well is offset by hanging a big motor so you can go faster. I'd recommend buying a skiff or a flats boat if you find yourself fishing shallow or small water the large majority of the time, and don't need a boat to cross open water. I cross big water in my Fury pretty frequently (~12mi with 11' depth), but you have to pick your days and it can get sketchy in a hurry. I've also had a couple close calls following long period ground swell in my skiff. Even when my boat is in chop that it can handle safely, it's uncomfortable and often wet. That's the case with most skiffs.

On the other hand, there is probably no better style of boat for fishing inside the marsh. I still can't believe a capable glass skiff builder hasn't surfaced in Louisiana. The small footprint and shallow draft abilities of skiffs are perfect for fishing the marsh here. I have an F90 on my Fury. With two guys and fly gear it tops out right under 40mph and drafts about 7.5-8". With three guys and conventional gear + ice chests it probably drafts around 9.5" and tops out around 36-37.

If you want a big water boat that runs 60mph then buy a bay boat. Bigger boats like the Vantage and the Marquesa will get you up around there, but they're not fun to pole and they draft >10" loaded down, so any benefit of a skiff as opposed to a bay boat is kinda gone at that point.

I also freshwater fish with mine often, and the huge deck space is great. I can sacalait fish with three guys on my bow deck with no issues.

quote:


I’m looking around at boats and found a bang up deal on one, but worried about the versatility. I know their great for redfishing the inner marshes and can handle a little chop but I’m worried about bringing it to the spillway and bass/sacaulait fishing from it.


You will not regret it in the way of freshwater fishing. You will regret it if you buy one and expect to cross big water any day you choose, or if you buy one expecting it to cover long distances in a hurry. Skiffs are perfectly capable freshwater boats. The only mild annoyance is the poling platform makes it tough to get under tight spaces and low overhangs.

quote:

Anybody have one that they regret buying?


No, but I was completely aware of my boat's limitations prior to buying it.
This post was edited on 4/12/18 at 1:43 pm
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81730 posts
Posted on 4/12/18 at 1:43 pm to
quote:

I'd draw a distinction between a skiff and a flats boat
Help with this part because I am not sure what i am looking at in these. I want out of my Bay Boat.
Posted by GoldenD
Houston
Member since Jan 2015
934 posts
Posted on 4/12/18 at 1:48 pm to
Do you ever go out and try to pole/sight fish alone with your Fury?

I’ve been look at skiffs a lot lately to go out along the Texas coast, but I’d want to be able to fish the skinny marsh alone some days.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 4/12/18 at 1:50 pm to


I call mine a skiff
Posted by bluemoons
the marsh
Member since Oct 2012
5523 posts
Posted on 4/12/18 at 1:53 pm to
You may find different opinions elsewhere, but heavier boats designed to eat chop that don't emphasize draft or poling ability would be considered flats boats. Specific models that come to mind would be the ECS Vantage & EVO, Hewes Redfisher, Maverick Master Angler, Maverick 18 HPX-V, Beavertail Lightning, Hells Bay Marquesa, Biscayne, etc.

A skiff as defined by me is a boat built with emphasis on light weight, shallow draft, and efficiency on pole. People argue over what constitutes an actual poling skiff, but whatever. Boats like the ECS Lostmen, Caimen, Fury, the smaller Beavertails, the smaller Mavericks, Hells Bay Guide, Professional, Whipray, Waterman, etc.

There are a ton of other smaller builders too.

If you're looking for a family capable boat that can handle relatively big water, I'd stay on the flats boat side of the scale. They're more comfortable, generally faster, safer, and more stable.
Posted by bluemoons
the marsh
Member since Oct 2012
5523 posts
Posted on 4/12/18 at 1:55 pm to
quote:

Do you ever go out and try to pole/sight fish alone with your Fury?

I’ve been look at skiffs a lot lately to go out along the Texas coast, but I’d want to be able to fish the skinny marsh alone some days.



Very often. I don't pole much on my own, but I have before. The boat poles much better with weight on the bow, so I try to make sure my fuel tank is full if that's my plan. I have an iPilot on my boat though, and it makes fishing alone easy. I can't get into the same water I could if I were poling, but it works.

The Fury poles fairly well for its size, but it doesn't spin well on the pole because of the sponsons.
Posted by Higgysmalls
Ft Lauderdale
Member since Jun 2016
6467 posts
Posted on 4/12/18 at 9:02 pm to
i have a lowe big river 1655 flat boat and i love it. great for the marsh and anywhere in fresh water. extended the deck for storage purposes.
Posted by Fishhead
Elmendorf, TX
Member since Jan 2008
12190 posts
Posted on 4/12/18 at 9:58 pm to
Pros: floats in spit
Cons: wet

Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
9119 posts
Posted on 4/12/18 at 10:29 pm to
Back Country is an excellent boat. One of the best makes on the market. Most flats boats are a real wet ride in any kind of chop, but those Back Countries are incredibly dry compared to other brands.

They are also great at not porpoising. Some models, even when the trim is all the way down, go up and down for a bit until they finally smooth out. My dad's Back Country didn't even have trim tabs, yet was the most stable flats boat I've ever been on.

It's been said a few times, but the biggest drawback is when you get into any kind of big water. No fun at all. But, if you're mostly going to be in skinny water, I cannot recommend them highly enough.
Posted by Bigryno7
Nashville
Member since Jun 2009
1462 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 6:56 am to
I was in the same predicament. I think I was actually looking at the same boat you are referring to. I ended up buying a Key West Stealth because it was a little bigger and wider. So far no complaints. I've used it to bass fish, cut through the chop in Four Horse like a champ, and has been fine in Delacroix and Hopedale this past month.

I think the things it really can't do is hit the big open bays on rougher water. Most boats under 22ft typically have a hard time with that anyway.
Posted by stewie
Member since Jan 2006
3952 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 8:22 am to
quote:

Who all here has flats boats and what do you like/not like about them?


Have an Ankona Cayenne. I’d classify it as more of a skiff than a flats boat but that’s starting to split hairs.

It’s a great boat. As others have said, there are some limitations in open water.
It’s a fantastic marsh boat. I can float in 6-8 inches of water (depending on load) and it fishes three comfortably. You can pole pretty much anywhere you want.

It’s easy on the budget and easy to trailer compared to my old bay boat.
Storage space will be a bit limited on a true flats boat when compared to a bay boat.

As mentioned earlier, flats boats or skiffs won’t handle open water as well. Granted, I’ve taken mine on 70 mile round trips to the barrier islands before but I had to pick my days very carefully and watch the weather like a hawk.
We had a pop up thunderstorm roll in on us last year in the Breton Sound. We beat the rain but we had to take our time getting in and it was a wet, rough ride.

You can feel every ripple on that skiff, the boat only weighs 450 lbs. Trim tabs are nice but don’t alleviate the pounding from slightly rough seas.

quote:

Anybody have one that they regret buying?


I’m glad I had the opportunity to buy that Cayenne and don’t regret buying it for one second. But I was aware of the limitations and advantages before I made the purchase.

Don’t expect to make an offshore snapper run in your flats boat. However, it is my dream to land a tuna on the fly in my skiff. I guess we can all have our dreams.
Posted by MrJudgeSmails
B Wood Baw
Member since Jul 2011
300 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 8:32 am to
I currently have a Key West 1760 Stealth, out of all the boats I’ve owned it’s been my favorite so far. Perfect for whatever I want to do inside and if you don’t mind a little spray on choppy days you can fish bigger bays & outside points of interest with little worry (provided you pay attention to the forecast).
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