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Traditional cleanup hitters batting leadoff

Posted on 4/2/18 at 7:49 pm
Posted by The Donald
Member since Jun 2013
319 posts
Posted on 4/2/18 at 7:49 pm
What’s the reasoning/explanation behind guys like Chris Davis batting leadoff? I can’t seem to figure this one out...
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
44874 posts
Posted on 4/2/18 at 7:50 pm to
OBP
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 4/2/18 at 7:52 pm to
I do this with my son in the 6u league. Need the best bats when you get to top of the order in the bottom 5th
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
34826 posts
Posted on 4/2/18 at 7:53 pm to
It gives your best hitter more at-bats.
Posted by ZZTIGERS
Member since Dec 2007
17096 posts
Posted on 4/2/18 at 7:54 pm to
High OBP, better hitters getting more ABs. Although, Chris Davis has never been a high OBP guy.
Posted by 3HourTour
A whiskey barrel
Member since Mar 2006
21236 posts
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:03 pm to
My son is the best hitter on his little league team. His coach has him lead off.
Posted by Jack Daniel
In the bottle
Member since Feb 2013
25552 posts
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:07 pm to
I’ve always questioned the stereotypes of leadoff batters. They only bat leadoff once in a game then they become just another hitter in the lineup.

Showalter’s reasoning is to force the pitcher to pitch to him. Try to reduce opportunities to pitch around him.
Posted by 0
Member since Aug 2011
16646 posts
Posted on 4/2/18 at 9:12 pm to
Makes the opposing team pitch to him.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
60497 posts
Posted on 4/2/18 at 9:18 pm to
Getting the best batter the most opportunities to bat.
Posted by bbeck
Member since Dec 2011
14567 posts
Posted on 4/2/18 at 9:19 pm to
More ABs?

I still think 3rd is the best spot for your best hitter
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35621 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 12:29 am to
The Sabremetrics guys think Babe Ruth should have batted leadoff.

LINK

First they analyzed the GOAT leadoff hitter and see if it compares to GOAT sluggers.

They looked at the greatest leadoff hitter of all-time...and found that it didn't really matter where he hit in the line-up.

So after almost 2000 games (more than 12 full seasons), it didn’t significantly matter where Rickey batted in the lineup. Each team’s win total was no different than what you might expect from flipping a coin 2000 times.


We did the same for Babe Ruth. With Ruth, we found different results.

Hitting Ruth leadoff resulted in a significantly greater number of wins than expected by chance, due to the number of additional plate appearances by the leadoff hitter (4.66 PA/game as a leadoff hitter compared to 4.46 in the #2 spot, decreasing steadily down to 3.81 in the #9 hole).

Most importantly hitting him in the leadoff spot might have meant even more wins for the Yankees.
Posted by AtlantaLSUfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
23183 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 9:53 am to
Not that I agree with it, but they say “you only lead off one inning”.
Posted by ZeekFreak
Member since Jun 2017
583 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 1:15 pm to
and the fact that it gives them a chance for more AB's over the course of the season, you're lead off ONCE, I've always said that "cleanup" was beyond over-hyped. Larussa was first to bounce the lead off guy obv batting 1st one day and then 9th the next.
Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
22977 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 1:34 pm to
Joe Maddon did it last year with Rizzo. His experiment worked for the most part
Posted by cheesesteak501
The South
Member since Mar 2014
3152 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 2:31 pm to
If a player is in a slump a manager might move him around. That's why Giancarlo Stanton hit 2nd most of last year. He was slumping then caught fire at the 2nd spot. Mattingly never moved him after that.
Posted by El Campo Tiger
El Campo, TX
Member since Mar 2015
10118 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 3:02 pm to
Because Springer.

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