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Saints #1 in Mel Kipers Re-Graded 2017 Draft Grades
Posted on 3/22/18 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 3/22/18 at 2:45 pm
Post Draft Grade: B
"Where do we start with the class that had both the offensive and defensive rookies of the year? It was sensational, one of the best rookie groups since I've been covering the draft. Cornerback Marshon Lattimore locked down one side of the field and had five interceptions. Ryan Ramczyk started every game, making a flawless switch from left tackle to right tackle once Terron Armstead came back healthy. Safety Marcus Williams is going to be remembered for the touchdown he gave up in the divisional-round loss to the Vikings, but he's a really good player. He had four interceptions and 71 tackles.
Then there's running back Alvin Kamara, a pick I questioned last year. Here's what I wrote: "A big question mark here was the value given up to draft Kamara. Even if you question any possibilities beyond 2017 for Mark Ingram or Adrian Peterson, trading a second-rounder to move up and take my No. 88 overall player is iffy."
OK, so the Saints traded a 2018 second-round pick to move into the third round in 2017 -- and got one of the most versatile backs in the NFL. Kamara led all rookies in receptions (81) and yards after the catch (696), and averaged 6.0 yards per carry. He had 14 total touchdowns. I got this one wrong. Absolutely.
New Orleans also got meaningful snaps from Alex Anzalone, who started the first four games before hurting his shoulder and being placed on injured reserve, and defensive end Trey Hendrickson, who had two sacks.
Again, this is a fantastic class. Enjoy this A, Saints.
New grade: A"
"Where do we start with the class that had both the offensive and defensive rookies of the year? It was sensational, one of the best rookie groups since I've been covering the draft. Cornerback Marshon Lattimore locked down one side of the field and had five interceptions. Ryan Ramczyk started every game, making a flawless switch from left tackle to right tackle once Terron Armstead came back healthy. Safety Marcus Williams is going to be remembered for the touchdown he gave up in the divisional-round loss to the Vikings, but he's a really good player. He had four interceptions and 71 tackles.
Then there's running back Alvin Kamara, a pick I questioned last year. Here's what I wrote: "A big question mark here was the value given up to draft Kamara. Even if you question any possibilities beyond 2017 for Mark Ingram or Adrian Peterson, trading a second-rounder to move up and take my No. 88 overall player is iffy."
OK, so the Saints traded a 2018 second-round pick to move into the third round in 2017 -- and got one of the most versatile backs in the NFL. Kamara led all rookies in receptions (81) and yards after the catch (696), and averaged 6.0 yards per carry. He had 14 total touchdowns. I got this one wrong. Absolutely.
New Orleans also got meaningful snaps from Alex Anzalone, who started the first four games before hurting his shoulder and being placed on injured reserve, and defensive end Trey Hendrickson, who had two sacks.
Again, this is a fantastic class. Enjoy this A, Saints.
New grade: A"
This post was edited on 3/22/18 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 3/22/18 at 2:55 pm to gotiger
Kamara was a gamble, no doubt. Knowing Payton’s history in working with running backs and QBs, I would feel comfortable with any player he feels strongly about at those positions.
Hopefully we strike gold again this year
Hopefully we strike gold again this year
This post was edited on 3/22/18 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 3/22/18 at 2:56 pm to gotiger
quote:
I got this one wrong. Absolutely.
No shite
Posted on 3/22/18 at 2:56 pm to gotiger
Eating some crow, Great read.
Posted on 3/22/18 at 2:57 pm to gotiger
quote:
I got this one wrong
quote:
Mel Kiper
Checks out
Posted on 3/22/18 at 3:01 pm to gotiger
Kiper deserves a D right up his A
Posted on 3/23/18 at 11:54 am to gotiger
We just need 1 starter and 1 rotational player at minimum in this next draft and it'll be perfectly fine. Ideally we can get 3 total contributors since the only real opening spots are: WR2/3, TE1/2, backup QB, backup OL, backup DL, backup DB.
We have 8 total picks, realistically it'll end somewhere around 5 total IMHO. Obviously getting like 8 starters would be perfect, but lets be realistic right?
Since 2015 we have this many contributors. So hopefully in 4 drafts we land 11 starters and 9 rotation guys, that's legit.
Starters (10):
- Andrus Peat (1st)
- Sheldon Rankins (1st)
- Marshon Lattimore (1st)
- Ryan Ramczyk (1st)
- Michael Thomas (2nd)
- Marcus Williams (2nd)
- Alvin Kamara (3rd - costed a 2nd)
- Tyeler Davison (5th)
- Will Lutz (UDFA)
- Ken Crawley (UDFA)
Rotational (7):
- Hau'oli Kikaha (2nd)
- Vonn Bell (2nd)
- PJ Williams (3rd)
- Alex Anzalone (3rd)
- Trey Hendrickson (3rd)
- David Onyemata (4th)
- Daniel Lasco (7th)
Misses (5):
- Stephone Anthony (1st)
- Garrett Grayson (3rd)
- Davis Tull (5th)
- Damian Swann (5th - He was ok before concussions, but ultimately a fail)
- Marcus Murphy (7th)
Unknown (1):
- AQ Muhammad (6th)
So in the last 3 years:
4/5 on 1st rounders (4 starters)
4/4 on 2nd rounders (2 starters, 2 rotational)
4/5 on 3rd rounders (1 starter, 3rotational)
1/1 on 4th rounders (1 rotational)
1/3 on 5th rounders (1 starter)
0/1 on 6th rounders (Its an unknown with Muhammad, I'll count as a fail)
1/2 on 7th rounders (1 rotational - special teamer)
+2 UDFAs (2 starters - 1 special teamer)
We have 8 total picks, realistically it'll end somewhere around 5 total IMHO. Obviously getting like 8 starters would be perfect, but lets be realistic right?
Since 2015 we have this many contributors. So hopefully in 4 drafts we land 11 starters and 9 rotation guys, that's legit.
Starters (10):
- Andrus Peat (1st)
- Sheldon Rankins (1st)
- Marshon Lattimore (1st)
- Ryan Ramczyk (1st)
- Michael Thomas (2nd)
- Marcus Williams (2nd)
- Alvin Kamara (3rd - costed a 2nd)
- Tyeler Davison (5th)
- Will Lutz (UDFA)
- Ken Crawley (UDFA)
Rotational (7):
- Hau'oli Kikaha (2nd)
- Vonn Bell (2nd)
- PJ Williams (3rd)
- Alex Anzalone (3rd)
- Trey Hendrickson (3rd)
- David Onyemata (4th)
- Daniel Lasco (7th)
Misses (5):
- Stephone Anthony (1st)
- Garrett Grayson (3rd)
- Davis Tull (5th)
- Damian Swann (5th - He was ok before concussions, but ultimately a fail)
- Marcus Murphy (7th)
Unknown (1):
- AQ Muhammad (6th)
So in the last 3 years:
4/5 on 1st rounders (4 starters)
4/4 on 2nd rounders (2 starters, 2 rotational)
4/5 on 3rd rounders (1 starter, 3rotational)
1/1 on 4th rounders (1 rotational)
1/3 on 5th rounders (1 starter)
0/1 on 6th rounders (Its an unknown with Muhammad, I'll count as a fail)
1/2 on 7th rounders (1 rotational - special teamer)
+2 UDFAs (2 starters - 1 special teamer)
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 2:02 pm
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