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Americans spend more on health care and get less - report

Posted on 3/15/18 at 2:55 pm
Posted by BigAppleBucky
New York
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 2:55 pm
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Health care spending accounted for 17.8% of the US economy in 2016, compared to an average of 11.5% in the 11 high-income countries the study examined. Americans spent $9,400 per capita on health care that year, compared to an average of $5,400 in the peer nations, which include Canada, Japan, Australia and several Western European countries.


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The American health care system also spends far more on administrative costs -- coming in at 8% of total health care spending, compared to between 1% and 3% for other countries.

All this spending hasn't translated into better health for Americans. The average life expectancy in the United States is 78.8 years, compared to an average of 81.7 years for the peer nations studied.


The USA also has higher infant mortality rates.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
88070 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 2:56 pm to
Thanks Barry
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
63000 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 2:57 pm to
Obama care was never meant to fix things, it was intended to position everyone to depend on the government to provide healthcare. End of story.
Posted by starsandstripes
Georgia
Member since Nov 2017
11897 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 2:57 pm to
Only cancer and cardiovascular disease are deadlier than doctors.
Posted by Bamafan24
Huntsville
Member since Oct 2014
8482 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 2:58 pm to
That's because the cost of services are so high. Healthcare can never be affordable when the cost are where they are.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
107696 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 2:59 pm to
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The average life expectancy in the United States is 78.8 years, compared to an average of 81.7 years for the peer nations studied.


I would say, it's probably not correct to assume this is directly related to general quality of delivered professional healthcare.
Posted by BlackHelicopterPilot
Top secret lab
Member since Feb 2004
52837 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 3:00 pm to
Stats are like bikinis. What they reveal is interesting. What they HIDE is vital!



1) Does "spending" include any tax money, too?

2) Is the higher admin cost due to legal (lawsuit) / regulatory / insurance filing?

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The USA also has higher infant mortality rates.
This impact "life expectancy". What is the cause of this higher infant mortality? Does our "freedoms" mean that mothers aren't 'forced' to take part in prenatal care? Is it a educational issue?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
283027 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 3:01 pm to
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Americans spend more on health care and get less - report


Health care
Military
Education

You name it, we overpay.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
71597 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 3:06 pm to
Life expectancy has much more to do with personal habits
Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
8816 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 3:07 pm to
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All this spending hasn't translated into better health for Americans. The average life expectancy in the United States is 78.8 years, compared to an average of 81.7 years for the peer nations studied.
I wonder if it even crossed the writer’s mind that we spend more on health care specifically because we aren’t as healthy.

The diet of the average japanese citizen consists of rice and fish. The diet of the aberage american citizen consists of pizza hut and taco bell. No shite we soend more on health care
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
21325 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 3:08 pm to
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The USA also has higher infant mortality rates.
not true, Europe doesn't count still births and premature baby deaths in infant mortality rate stats, they exclude babies below a certain length threshold
This post was edited on 3/15/18 at 3:31 pm
Posted by jawnybnsc
Greer, SC
Member since Dec 2016
5568 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 3:09 pm to
Leviathan is expensive.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
53290 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 3:09 pm to
Government creates the problem. Idiot Dems solution is more government.
Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
8816 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 3:10 pm to
The cost of health care is so high because the demand for health care is so high.

News flash for people who haven’t realized: we’re a really, really fat nation. Just so fat. Fatty fat fats. Lot’s of fat.

We start eating healthier and health care costs will fall. Short of that, we’ll continue having the most expensive health care in the modern world, regardless of government policies
Posted by LuckyTiger
Someone's Alter
Member since Dec 2008
49813 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 3:11 pm to
I used to spend less and get more until obozo became president.

Thanks a-hole.
Posted by MSMHater
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
23042 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 3:12 pm to
From the same researcher who wrote the referenced JAMA paper...

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“We know we spend a lot more than everyone else, and we have looked for easy explanations — things like greed in the system, fee-for-service medicine, overutilization,” he said. But the research, he said, didn’t match his expectations. “I’ve been looking at other countries and seeing there’s a lot of fee-for-service in other countries, and other countries are struggling with overutilization.”

When it came to many of the measures of health system function, the United States was in the middle of the pack, not an outlier, as Dr. Jha had expected. Many analysts have called for the country to shift its physician training away from specialty care and toward more primary care medicine, for example. But the study found that 43 percent of U.S. doctors practice primary care medicine, about typical for the group.


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Bruce Landon, a professor of policy and medicine at Harvard Medical School, said that the complaints about rising health care costs are a worldwide issue. Even though other countries spend less than the United States, few believe they have found a way to tame spending forever.


“I don’t think there’s any of these countries where if you went and talked to them individually, they wouldn’t say they’re having a health care cost crisis,” he said. “They’re all struggling with paying for new technology and the cost of the system.”

The data did not suggest that any country had a plug-and-play policy template for devising a lower-cost, high-performing system. The systems tended to perform better than the United States on some measures and worse on others, with lots of idiosyncrasies.


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There were two areas where the United States really was quite different: We pay substantially higher prices for medical services, including hospitalization, doctors’ visits and prescription drugs. And our complex payment system causes us to spend far more on administrative costs. The United States also has a higher rate of poverty and more obesity than any of the other countries, possible contributors to lower life expectancy that may not be explained by differences in health care delivery systems.
Posted by skullhawk
My house
Member since Nov 2007
25830 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 3:15 pm to
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I would say, it's probably not correct to assume this is directly related to general quality of delivered professional healthcare.


Of course life expectancy isn't but it's the stat you get from the left.

The US has the best survival/cure rates for many fatal ailments but you're not going to hear anything about that from the OP.
Posted by ILeaveAtHalftime
Member since Sep 2013
2889 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 3:15 pm to
We also subsidize prescription drug and medical services R&D for the entire world.

It’s not the biggest reason why our costs are outrageous, but it certainly plays into it
Posted by ILeaveAtHalftime
Member since Sep 2013
2889 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 3:16 pm to
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And our complex payment system causes us to spend far more on administrative costs


This part is true for every single government service in the United States. Our bureaucratic bloat is incomprehensible
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14786 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 3:18 pm to
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All this spending hasn't translated into better health for Americans


This, of course, is bullshite. Americans are less healthy, NOT because of the healthcare system, but because we are fat, overeating slobs who don't move much.

If there is a healthcare system prescription for that, sign me up.
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