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re: Pentagon warns China is an even bigger threat than we thought
Posted on 3/8/18 at 1:55 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 3/8/18 at 1:55 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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China’s GDP is growing at like 6% per year and they’re about to take over the Eurozone as the world’s second largest economy.
Actually are number 2. Forbes and Bloom both state thy will overtake us by the end of 2018.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 1:56 pm to Pdubntrub
That has nothing to do with their centralization efforts in Central Asia. They are planning to spend upwards of 4 to 8 trillion more dollars in projects around Asia and Africa in addition to the 4 trillion they've already spent. They will buy their sphere of influence, and can invest abroad without angering their base, because they aren't beholden to them.
Becoming more free market still doesn't mean we have cogent foreign policy goals. The Wolfowitz Doctrine and the Bush Doctrine determined our policy for a long time, and it was broadly a failure, as was the Obama Doctrine, which was heavily inspired by a Bush appointee Brent Sowcroft.
Becoming more free market still doesn't mean we have cogent foreign policy goals. The Wolfowitz Doctrine and the Bush Doctrine determined our policy for a long time, and it was broadly a failure, as was the Obama Doctrine, which was heavily inspired by a Bush appointee Brent Sowcroft.
This post was edited on 3/8/18 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 3/8/18 at 2:10 pm to crazy4lsu
What about the doctrine of the Constitution.
This post was edited on 3/8/18 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 3/8/18 at 2:22 pm to Pdubntrub
What foreign policy doctrine is outlined in the Constitution that is immediately applicable to this environment?
Posted on 3/8/18 at 2:26 pm to Amazing Moves
Xi's recent move to become president for life worries me.
He is going down the same path Hitler took.
1. Fix economy to gain wide support
2. Slowly, quietly build up military while showing aggression to neighboring countries
3. Become dictator after consolidating power.
Next will be wide scale aggression and abuses of human rights
He is going down the same path Hitler took.
1. Fix economy to gain wide support
2. Slowly, quietly build up military while showing aggression to neighboring countries
3. Become dictator after consolidating power.
Next will be wide scale aggression and abuses of human rights
Posted on 3/8/18 at 2:29 pm to crazyLSUstudent
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Russia from an economic stand point is weak. Terrible GDP and standard of living there sucks. China is the only real threat
True. Russia is handcuffed to an extent and relies heavily on Cold War era military tech
Posted on 3/8/18 at 2:32 pm to deltaland
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1. Fix economy to gain wide support
The economy has been trending upwards since before Xi took office.
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2. Slowly, quietly build up military while showing aggression to neighboring countries
You think their build-up has been quiet? It's been pretty obvious.
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Next will be wide scale aggression and abuses of human rights
China already abuses human rights, and has for a long time. Xi isn't different in that regard. The aggression is overshadowed by open investment in other countries to carve out a sphere of influence where they previously had very little interaction, which isn't all that similar to Hitler.
The situations aren't analogous at all, and the issue of the SES makes it a flashpoint, but China has long said, well before Xi, that they wanted to make the 21st century a "Chinese Century." They've said this before 2000 if I recall.
This post was edited on 3/8/18 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 3/8/18 at 2:33 pm to deltaland
What you have to concern yourself about is when China starts licking their chops at Russia. We allied with them for WWII. We could find ourselves having to do that again.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 2:37 pm to damnedoldtigah
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What you have to concern yourself about is when China starts licking their chops at Russia. We allied with them for WWII. We could find ourselves having to do that again.
The Kremlin is far closer to China than we are to the Kremlin. They rely on China for investments. The Chinese also look to Russian weapons where domestic industries fall short. Russia delivered their S-400 missile system to China recently. They aren't enemies per se. We would need delicate negotiation to extricate Russia from China, and we don't seem to value that type of diplomacy.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 2:37 pm to crazy4lsu
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What foreign policy doctrine is outlined in the Constitution that is immediately applicable to this environment?
The foreign policy laid out in the Constitution is exactly what this situation needs.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 2:38 pm to crazy4lsu
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The Wolfowitz Doctrine
Good times!
Posted on 3/8/18 at 2:51 pm to Pdubntrub
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The foreign policy laid out in the Constitution is exactly what this situation needs.
What is that? Non-interference? Congressional oversight? Be specific.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 2:51 pm to crazy4lsu
So is our military collectively capable of responding to this? We spend 600 bil a year. For what?
Posted on 3/8/18 at 2:55 pm to Amazing Moves
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Pentagon warns China is an even bigger threat than we thought by Amazing Moves
This is news? I remember 30 years ago watching the Swamp Skunks and their lobbyists making trade deals with China and selling the US industrial/manufacturing base down the proverbial river for the almighty dollar. Myself and many of my friends said the US is going to regret this someday, well someday is here.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 2:57 pm to Amazing Moves
I would be highly disappointed if this is some kind of a shock to the joint chiefs and President. Who did not see China building up their military, and quickly?
This smells like a "please give us funding!" report.
This smells like a "please give us funding!" report.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 3:03 pm to Pdubntrub
They are old (one child policy and what not)
Where do you see this? According to the CIA Factbook the median age in China is 38 compared to 37 here. That's like my wife calling me old.
Where do you see this? According to the CIA Factbook the median age in China is 38 compared to 37 here. That's like my wife calling me old.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 3:05 pm to TigerFanatic99
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This smells like a "please give us funding!" report.
yep, and they now have a President who will not tell them no.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 3:08 pm to Amazing Moves
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How big of a step has China really taken and, what has the US done in response to these threats? How do we compare? A military discussion would be appreciated.
This has been done by the military for years, from Field and Company commands all the way through to Flag Staff. Always bemoan the fact that your dramatically under equipped, under manned to the point of doom, and you'll get your funding. Military just got a big fat check, and everyone is maneuvering for their carve out.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 3:08 pm to crazy4lsu
....and the Kremlin will stay closer to China until China gets greedy. The other person's land in their back yard can become more attractive than something across the Pacific.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 3:09 pm to Amazing Moves
Militarily we are, but all China wants to do is to dissuade military intervention, as their colonial exercise will have its discontents, just like ours has. We are poorly positioned diplomatically. China swooped in to replace us as the allies to Pakistan, as we let factional divides in Pakistan color our views of the country as a whole, as there were strong pro-Western defenders in the country. China has invested heavily in South Africa, India, and Russia, and has sent troops to Afghanistan, as well as cracking down on the Uyghurs in West China. There have been overtures between Iran and China as well, specifically for natural gas. Their traditional sphere of influence included all of East Asia, but their moves in Central Asia are concerning, as they pose another country that can court these countries through investments.
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