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re: Can we not just all agree on one thing (gun control): Rex, since you're on, answer please

Posted on 2/23/18 at 11:23 pm to
Posted by Rex
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 2/23/18 at 11:23 pm to
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How are the other Bill of Rights interpreted? As state functions or individual rights?

Each Amendment is distinct. The Second Amendment specifically says "State", as in the 13 states that ratified it.

edit: Going to bed now.

This post was edited on 2/23/18 at 11:23 pm
Posted by graychef
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Posted on 2/23/18 at 11:25 pm to
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Posted by dkreller
Laffy
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Posted on 2/23/18 at 11:27 pm to
You googled you fricking hack.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
43097 posts
Posted on 2/23/18 at 11:51 pm to
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I'll give you an analogy....


That was not an analogy - it didnt even make sense.

If it represents anything at all it shows how ineffective any recoommendation that the DEM/prog/MSM cabal would be.

suggestions like = 'gun free zones"
Posted by MMauler
Member since Jun 2013
19216 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 1:36 am to
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The Second Amendment doesn't have to be repealed. It has to be returned to its true original intent before an activist right wing Supreme Court overturned 250 years of legal precedent and perverted its meaning.


Heller was a case of first impression, you f*cking moron.

Please cite for us the 250 years of Supreme Court precedence that Heller overturne.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
43097 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 5:51 am to
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having to abide the Supreme Court's b.s. interpretation that the Constitution guarantees an individual right to own guns.


This is the most specious argument I have ever heard - and you are a lot smarted than to actually believe what you wrote. Why are you pushing such a deeply flawed opinion?

For you to believe what you wrote there, you would have to believe that for the first 200 years of our existence under the new constitution that the entire nation was openly and defiantly in violation of it. That especially in the immediate days, weeks, and years after ratification of your posited restriction of individual rights to own guns, that the people who wrote that restriction didn't notice.

Nor did the people who wrote into the constitution a restriction on individual gun rights propose any means to remove the guns from the individuals who no longer had that right.

Then for 200 years, the entire USA, its states, its people did not react to the rampant disregard for the bill of rights as you are proposing was intended.

There has never been a more ignorant proposition than = 'the people of the USA do not have a protected right to own firearms.'

Your only basis is to apply some semantics based conclusion that the framers did not write what they so obviously meant to write, and that it would take over 200 years for modern scholars to interpret the 'true meaning' of the constitution.

And your harping on the Heller decision is equally specious. All the SCOTUS did was to essentially say = "Look dumbshits, the constitution really means what it says - now go away and stop bothering us with this crap."

You call that decision 'bullshite' while fervently accepting aa the "law of the land" the Roe v Wade discovery of a 'emanation from the penumbra of the umbra' regarding 'privacy.'

Sad and pathetic.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
28348 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 5:55 am to
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what in the hell are more controls going to do?


create more loopholes and plausible deniability.
Posted by King of the Hill
Albert, Quebecc
Member since Dec 2013
37 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 6:12 am to
Rex you are a communist, you want full control of freedom and you honestly think the government will protect you. Can you even appreciate the constitution and it's uniqueness as the first document that limited the power of government. Our elected officials are sworn to protect the constitution and our rights.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
28348 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 6:16 am to
I'm not Rex..I don't even own a poodle suit.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13358 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 10:02 am to
Read this again Rexie. When you're done, read it again. Then again, and realize what an ignorant hack you are.

ChineseBandit58, I regret that I have but one upvote to give. Epic.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
141377 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 10:08 am to
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this is a Dumbass country with no true controls over gun massacres. 


You are free to move to Australia. They may ask you to get rid of the moobs and burn the freak suit though.
Posted by Kriegschwein
Alemania
Member since Feb 2015
855 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 10:09 am to
Nothing .

They will do nothing.
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48676 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 10:16 am to
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hat in the hell are more controls going to do?


The true answer and the goal of the Leftist Globalists is this: abolition of the US Constitution's Second Amendment followed by international police force over-sight of the disarming of the population of the North American Continent formerly known as "nation-state United States of America."
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13358 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 10:26 am to
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The true answer and the goal of the Leftist Globalists is this: abolition of the US Constitution's Second Amendment followed by international police force over-sight of the disarming of the population of the North American Continent formerly known as "nation-state United States of America."


Don't think they'd stop there! They are absolutely militant toward any speech that opposes their marxist world view as well. If you think about it, they only think the Bill of Rights applies to those who think their way. The 2A is just their primary target, because it's what prevents them from taking the rest from those who disagree.
Posted by Rex
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Posted on 2/24/18 at 10:27 am to
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For you to believe what you wrote there, you would have to believe that for the first 200 years of our existence under the new constitution that the entire nation was openly and defiantly in violation of it.

Er, no. You don't have to believe that. You only have to believe that guns were owned individually according to the 2A's intent.

And, in fact, that's what the Supreme Court affirmed multiple times before rightwing extremists violated precedent with Heller.

Got any more bullshite?
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
141377 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 10:29 am to
I own my guns with the original intent.
Posted by Boatshoes
Member since Dec 2017
6775 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 10:31 am to
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If the controls we have in place now weren't followed, what in the hell are more controls going to do?


Disarm you, so you have no choice except to accept whatever additional controls thy think of next.
Posted by CollegeFBRules
Member since Oct 2008
24280 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 10:35 am to
I’ll play, since your thread has, like nearly all threads on this board, turned into a circle jerk of reaffirmation while you call out one poster like a schoolyard a-hole.

There isn’t a single statistic worldwide that supports your argument that more guns prevent crime. So many of you want to ignore Australia as an example of how to prevent these mass shootings, even though it is the most directly relevant example: first world, civilized, western society. You do this because you want your guns to prevent the tyranny of the government coming to take your home and your property.

The problem is that both sides have a good point, but not a single one of you are really interested in a legit discussion on it. The left wants your guns, the right refuses to give any of them up. The majority of you loathe public education and the teachers peddling it, but you want them armed to prevent this kind of stuff. If a cop trained to deal with a situation like this isn’t going to respond, you’re only going with odds in numbers that some teacher will react appropriately. Hopefully they’re all mentally stable and don’t decide to use the gun for any other reason. Hopefully they’re secured and some student having a really bad day can’t get access to one.

This still is and will continue to be a mental health discussion. But seeing as how funding and paying attention to mental illness isn’t a swanky enough cause to catch the attention of posters on this board, of the media, or politicians, you’ll continue to see the mentally ill react like this because they get attention and can easily get a gun. And the majority of posters here will still continue ranting about kids needing to grow up and toughen up.

At least until it happens at your child’s school. If your son or daughter gets caught in these crosshairs, your opinion will change quickly and you’ll be ready to take guns away.
Posted by Rex
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Posted on 2/24/18 at 10:40 am to
The right wing's tactic:

- agree to laws that do just about nothing to stop gun massacres.
- then claim that we already have laws in place which don't help so why would additional laws make things any better?

It's specious. It's deceitful. It's the question the OP raised and to which gun nuts thought was so clever and on point.


Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 10:43 am to
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The right wing's tactic:

- agree to laws that do just about nothing to stop gun massacres.
- then claim that we already have laws in place which don't help so why would additional laws make things any better?

It's specious. It's deceitful. It's the question the OP raised and to which gun nuts thought was so clever and on point.



Jump over in the Broward County Promise thread and defend their idiotic program that kept Cruz out of jail to "lower minority disproportionality" in juvenile arrests.

The left killed those children and coaches via the shitty program from their shitty leftwing sheriff's department and you are using YOUR frickup to attack those who had NOTHING to do with it.
This post was edited on 2/24/18 at 10:44 am
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