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How do so many Americans have a fundamental misunderstanding of the 2nd amendment?

Posted on 2/18/18 at 12:20 pm
Posted by LSUgrad08112
Member since May 2016
2925 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 12:20 pm
I see the “the founders NEVER would’ve expected fully automatic 5.56 assault clips that can shoot 20 rounds per clip second” argument so much from liberals, and it’s so irrelevant.

First of all, semi automatic weaponry was in production several hundred years before the Bill of Rights. Fully automatic multi barreled machine guns were also in production. Even muskets were absolute killing machines back then, and they still allowed citizens to own them.

That myth aside, the lethality of weapons doesn’t even matter because the 2nd Amendment was drafted specifically to allow civilian weaponry to be on par with our military’s small arms. For a bunch of liberal blue haired Taco Bell workers to call the foresight of the founding father into question is laughable. They EASILY could’ve included a clause in the 2nd amendment that had congress revisit the amendment every time new weapons tech came out. But again, they didn’t, and it was for a reason.

The entire purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to allow the citizens of the United States to compete with a government equipped fighting force, and we need AR-15’s to do that. The phrase “good times create soft men” couldn’t be more relevant than it is right now, we’re a society of soft men who are writing off the lessons that the founders learned through years of bloodshed and revolution because they think that tyranny and war could never find its way to American soil again.
Posted by SoulGlo
Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 2/18/18 at 12:20 pm to
Liberals running the school system
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 12:21 pm to
quote:

I see the “the founders NEVER would’ve expected fully automatic 5.56 assault clips that can shoot 20 rounds per clip second” argument so much from liberals, and it’s so irrelevant.


It's also complete bullshite. Semi-automatic weapons were around long before the Second Amendment was inked.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
85126 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 12:23 pm to
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For a bunch of liberal blue haired Taco Bell workers to call the foresight of the founding father into question is laughable.


Posted by LSUgrad08112
Member since May 2016
2925 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 12:28 pm to
And let’s not forget the fact that almost all of them were alive in 1836 when a guy named Samuel Colt came along and changed the game just a little bit. They easily could’ve spoken up and said themselves that they didn’t foresee hand held guns that could fire multiple rounds without a reload coming along and done something to revise the amendment. Why didn’t they I wonder...? Possibly because they WANTED the people to have highly destructive weapons?
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29433 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 12:30 pm to
We also have no one to bail us out. All these other countries... Australia, UK, etc., can chide us knowing that they have the luxury of Uncle Sam coming to bail their arse out if things every go south within their own government. We have no one to look to but ourselves.
Posted by tigerinexile
The greatest parish
Member since Sep 2004
1515 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 12:34 pm to
The founders knew exactly what they were doing on all matters. From the constitution to the federalist papers they fully understood what a free society should look like. Every following generation chose to pervert what they created until we are where we are.
Posted by LSUgrad08112
Member since May 2016
2925 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 12:41 pm to
Only can radical leftists twist what was truly the greatest document ever written by possibly the most intelligent, experienced, and educated collection of human beings ever assembled into a Stone Age paper written by a bunch of Neanderthals who didn’t ever expect guns to exist. It’s amazing.

But I’m sure that bald 16 year old psycho girl who was screaming about guns knows more about how to effectively run a society than Benjamin Franklin, John Hancock, and John Adams combined.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 2/18/18 at 12:41 pm to
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 12:46 pm to
It's such a silly point, and worse, it's completely wrong. I hope that more and more, we don't let that go unchallenged. This is how we defeat that nonsense. Transparency and education.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
125523 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 12:46 pm to
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...the 2nd Amendment was drafted specifically to allow civilian weaponry to be on par with our military’s small arms.
Wrong.

The citizenry was the militia. It was the most cost effective means of common defense. And it served as augmentation to the police force (generally only one person in a small township). They had to be properly armed to perform these essential civic duties. In many instances they were required by law to own a firearm. In today’s society we have professionalized both of these essential services. But we have not repealed the Second Amendment. If they want to re-frame the argument then change the Constitution.
Posted by LSUgrad08112
Member since May 2016
2925 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 12:55 pm to
You are absolutely 100% wrong, and that’s possibly the dumbest interpretation of the second amendment I’ve ever seen. The 2nd Amendment was very clearly written to keep the government in check and to give the citizens the ability to revolt in case of a tyrannical leader taking hold or defend the country in case of a foreign invasion, considering the fact that they literally just got done fighting a revolution against a tyrannical government while they were framing our constitution. It had very little to do with a day to day police force of all things.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
125523 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 1:17 pm to
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You are absolutely 100% wrong


You are beyond an imbecile. But I still like you.
Posted by 56lsu
jackson mich
Member since Dec 2005
7818 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 1:25 pm to
my thoughts and prayers go out to you and all the people on the right at the thought of (even though it will never happen) losing your precious guns.
Posted by Big12fan
Dallas
Member since Nov 2011
5340 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 1:28 pm to
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the lethality of weapons doesn’t even matter because the 2nd Amendment was drafted specifically to allow civilian weaponry to be on par with our military’s small arms.


If true, you're already defeated, unless you interpret small arms to include tanks, grenades, missiles, armed ships, planes etc. Your AR-15 will be like a pea-shooter.

Your argument doesn't hold up.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
125523 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 1:31 pm to
I am not losing my guns dumbass. I just understand the historical precedent for why we have them. Help yourself out;

Tracts, concerning the ancient and only true legal means of national defence, by a free militia: by Granville Sharp

It is only 160 pages. Even you should be able to understand it. If you understand the history of England, our own colonization and the French and Indian War you will begin to understand the necessity for the 2nd Amendment.

But keep being that brilliant guy you are.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
125523 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 1:36 pm to
Here is another one for the brilliant;

10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.


You are supposed to have a firearm dumbass. It is not to be on par with the military. It is to be the militia.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
16440 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 1:39 pm to
Yeah, because the government is gonna come and kills us all witht their guns.

Some of you live in John Wayne dreamland.Yeah, they are gonna come like guerillas (Vietnam war style) and kill people house to house. Better have those guns ready boys!

Like they could not take everything over by simply shutting off the electricity, internet/phones and sewage for three days and poisoning the water supply. Just three days is all it would take. A few million (like three million or so) dead and resitance would end.

Stop it with your guns is gunna proctect us nonsense. Tney won't protect you when you have no water amd medicine and 911 does not work.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44121 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 1:39 pm to
quote:

If true, you're already defeated, unless you interpret small arms to include tanks, grenades, missiles, armed ships, planes etc. Your AR-15 will be like a pea-shooter.

Your argument doesn't hold up.


Here's my obligatory "Iraq, Afghanistan, and Vietnam say hello" response to this same stupid fricking argument.

Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44121 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 1:40 pm to
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Like they could not take everything over by simply shutting off the electricity, internet/phones and sewage for three days and poisoning the water supply. Just three days is all it would take. A few million (like three million or so) dead and resitance would end.

Stop it with your guns is gunna proctect us nonsense. Tney won't protect you when you have no water amd medicine and 911 does not work.



It's almost like you think everyone lives in large densely populated urban centers...

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