re: School safety: A few things to increase it

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It's a horrible tragedy, but statistically, how much less can it even happen?

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It's on the rise. Something needs to happen.

Like I said in the other thread, metal detectors and more school resource officers. My school only had one. That is unacceptable to have 1 officer trying to protect that many kids.

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AND, if one life is spared due to them, its worth it.

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Uhhhh. No. No, its not.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

- Benjamin Franklin

Freedom is dangerous but oh so satisfying.

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And if that dude was doing his job, he would have been aware of this kid and could have possibly referred him for mental health services.

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And what would this job be? Knowing details about all 3,000 kids and detecting mood swings? Knowing the difference between typical teenage angst and mood swings vs mood change that will bring about violence? The thing no one wants to hear is that it all goes back to one thing: parenting. That's it. You are wanting a school police officer to do what his parents should have been doing.

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My Dad and his brothers and other students used to take their rifles and shotguns, and ammo, on the bus to school so they could go hunting after school. Know how many of them shot at a person or got shot at? Zero!

Know what the difference was primarily back then? Clear and precise boundaries.

Now we have fuzzy boundaries at best and no boundaries at worst. Age 18 can marry/divorce, can give life and limb on battlefield, but no cigs or beer for you! Stay on parents insurance till 26. No longer a line dividing gender even: male today, gone tomorrow.

Then add in the single "parent" households where the so called parent is away from the home all the time. Or the 2 "parent" household where neither has time for a single kid but yet they have many. Oh I know, let's pay some random strangers with a fancy signage to raise our kids for us! Yeah daycare is great for young minds and bodies.

Face it, life is a cornucopia of offerings. But your pockets and hands can only contain so much. Decisions have to be made on what to hold onto and what to forego. So far, Americans choose to let go of child raising and hand that off to others (daycare, schools, etc.).

So now we get these kids killing kids constantly, not always at schools. No boundaries and no parenting are the big differences. The 2 (parenting and boundaries) usually go hand in hand.

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Gotdamn, some solid posts on this thread.

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Budget on-site school law enforcement to a significantly higher level including more training

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I guess this is OK....BUT will they be at the right place at the right time...who knows. Now if you have a shite ton of money like the Gwinett CO School System north of ATL then you can have a whole police force for your school system and they have multiple SROs at every school. Again, if somebody wants to shoot some people I'm not sure they could stop them but maybe they could reduce the number of deaths/injuries.

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Be more vigilant in investigating the clues (social media provides many)

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I'm not sure you can be proactive on this without people coming forward first...which inherently never happens. Although it seems someone did report this ole boy to the FBI. I'd be interested to see what the follow up on that was. Now if you are suggested that we somehow authorize some group to automatically scrap FB, Instagram, Twitter, etc for key words then take LE action on that...that might work but at what cost???

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Revisit school safety protocols (i.e. more metal detectors, school access procedures, etc.)

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I think this is the one....how did this guy just walk into the school and set off the metal detector? At my daughters school all the entrances into the school are locked....I know I checked this myself about the 3rd week after she started school. If you want to get into that school you either have to scale the fence (which I have voiced concern over because they don't really have anyone watching either IE no SROs) or go buzz in at the office and be allowed in based on the reason that you give. The people in the office are pretty good too as in fairly smart/with it. This is a private school that can't afford SROs but I feel like they have a better barrier to entry than what that school in Florida showed. I have told them they should move to an 8 ft fence with razor wire but they said they don't want to be seen as a prison which I guess I can see, but my thought was that is the best you can do to protect my daughter without any SRO's or other people to watch the grounds.

I could be wrong but it just seems like this happened too easy, especially given all the examples we have of this issue in the last 2 decades.

Like you said you can't avert every tragedy....but certainly you can lessen the risk, and devastation, of tragedy.

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Know what the difference was primarily back then? Clear and precise boundaries.

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That is the problem with 75% of children these days is that there are no boundaries or expectations set. My father in law harps on this a lot but it is true.

When you see a little shite running around acting plum stupid in the grocery store what in the world does he do at home.

I know shooting is an extreme example but I guarantee you that kid got by daily without having to meet any expectations other than those he made up in his own mind.

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social media provides many

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Unless it is being reported, how would you effectively follow hundreds of kids across multiple platforms?

Why doesn't this happen in Europe?