re: School safety: A few things to increase it

don't understand why schools have to budget police.

Why can't we post on-duty cops at schools instead of having them trying to catch speeders and inspection sticker violaters?

So much this. More protect, less collect.

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A single point of locked electronic entry will help.

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How is this feasible? Ok so say you fence all 20-50 acres of most high schools. You still have a bunch of gates, there's absolutely no way you have one gate. Then you have someone manning every gate?

Most High schools are simply not designed for one entry. They may have multiple accesses for multiple athletic events, maybe a music building, cafeteria, etc.

Furthermore, so you have one entrance and some how you now have a shooter inside. That creates a dangerous arse situation too.

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How is this feasible? Ok so say you fence all 20-50 acres of most high schools. You still have a bunch of gates, there's absolutely no way you have one gate. Then you have someone manning every gate?

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All gates are locked from the outside and not necessarily manned.

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I'm not saying it won't take particular/precise design techniques to make this work....but it could be done....it is done pretty well at my daughter's school which doesn't sit on 20 acres....but it is probably 3-5.

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Most High schools are simply not designed for one entry. They may have multiple accesses for multiple athletic events, maybe a music building, cafeteria, etc.

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Athletic events usually occur after school hours....if they occur during school hours then you probably need a special plan which probably means bringing in more men for those rare events. Music building, cafeteria, etc have no need to be accessed by anyone from the outside that hasn't been vetted verbally and visually by office personnel.

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I'm not sure but I don't think most high schools sit on 6 city blocks (at least most that I know of don't)...which is approximately 20 acres (best way to visualize it)

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Obviously it depends on the size of the school, but I just looked up my High School and it sits on 33 acres and is around 2400 students. That includes parking, multiple athletic fields and practice fields, etc. Some are on campus some are off.

I've definitely seen bigger schools on larger campuses too.

FWIW we have a school police officer, I thought this was standard OP.

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don't understand why schools have to budget police. Why can't we post on-duty cops at schools instead of having them trying to catch speeders and inspection sticker violaters? So much this. More protect, less collect.

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Not every school is in a jurisdiction where you have 100s of officers. A rural parish may only have 2 or 3 deputies on a shift patrolling but have 5-6 schools in the parish. The department cant afford to pay the salary of 4-5 extra people to be at these schools. Why stop at schools. What about hospitals, daycares, etc. Its just not feasible.

Many school districts will pay half the salary of an officer but many time these officers are trained school resource officers. Most are required to have a degree and not only provide security but also teach DARE and will fill in as a sub when needed. Its more of a way to have a school employee armed and commissioned rather than having a security force.

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Music building, cafeteria, etc have no need to be accessed by anyone from the outside that hasn't been vetted verbally and visually by office personnel.

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If someone wants to do this, its not that hard to find a way. Guns can fit in music cases pretty easily. I could fit a gun in a box of paper towels or other supplies meant for the cafeteria or custodian.

I mean most of these shootings occur by students that attend the school, they are vetted already. Have student ID's, etc.

It would be almost impossible to go through every box, bag, etc.

I often had two bags, one with baseball, soccer, or football practice stuff and a school book bag. That's a lot of crap for any officer to sort through.

Please edit your thread To say Public School Safety


This doesn’t happen at private schools

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That's a very insensitive comment. I'm requesting admin.

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That's fine but he is right in a lot of ways....and you present the problem well. People in publics don't want to really talk about why private's are safer.

ETA Maybe my sarcasm meter is broken....but still the point about still is relevant.

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This is already extremely infrequent. It's a horrible tragedy, but statistically, how much less can it even happen?

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The number of such incidents in the US was only one less than in all the other 36 countries put together. In 13 of those countries there were no incidents at all, either actual or attempted.

In 2010, the US was home to a population of approximately 309 million. The populations of these other countries totaled 3.8 billion.

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And this doesnt even factor in the fact the US had an extreme uptick in school shootings since 2011......