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re: Jimmy G and 49ers agree on new contract | 5 Years $137.5 million
Posted on 2/8/18 at 6:15 pm to tiggerthetooth
Posted on 2/8/18 at 6:15 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:well they weren't about to let him hit the FA market.
Because as stated earlier in the thread, the 49ers have a lot of cap space and can afford to pay him this money. To say any team would give him this money without any other team offering him this money or any credible sources claiming he would have got this money is just complete utter rubbish.
I repeat, the 49ers were the only team to offer him this. You're talking about of your arse if you say any team would have offered him this deal.
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Posted on 2/8/18 at 6:18 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Thing is tigger, dude was hyped up to extremes based off the 5-0 mark and was gonna be a FA, it's plausible there would've been a market for his services maybe John Elway and Denver learn under arguably the greatest and play with Emmanuel Sanders and Demaryius Thomas, teams need viable, solid quarterbacks yo
If you can name a team that has said they would have offered him the exact money he got from the 49ers, then I'll believe you.
Fact is, you can't because no team offered him anything.
49ers wanted to place a face on the franchise and they had the cap space to make the deal. Its absolutely a risk for the 49ers, but they can afford to take the risk seeing as they can't really get much worse at this point.
I repeat, no legitimate playoff squad gives Garappolo this money. None.
Also, as a Texans fan, I take Deshaun Watson all day everyday over Garappolo.
Deshaun Watson
19 TD 8 INT passing at 61% with 200 yards rushing and 2 rushing TD's as a mere rookie in 7 starts.
Does anyone here believe Deshaun Watson is worth the same amount Garappolo is?
Posted on 2/8/18 at 6:20 pm to castorinho
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well they weren't about to let him hit the FA market.
Because for them, giving him this deal made sense. Not because some other team was going to offer him just as much money.
49ers had the most cap space in the league
Posted on 2/8/18 at 6:23 pm to tiggerthetooth
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5 games. Only 5 games.
You keep saying this as if those five weeks were all the front office used to make this decision. Belichick has a great mutual respect for Mike and Kyle Shanahan. They know the type of player he was in New England. How he prepared. His dedication. His ability to pick apart film. On and on its goes. They also must have been impressed with what they saw in SF.
Just imagine what he will look like after Shanahan installs more than 1/3 of the playbook and he gets just an average supporting cast around him.
Never forgot the NFL pays on POTENTIAL. Shanahan, Lynch and Belichick are likely to have a pretty good eye for POTENTIAL.
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Jaguars and Rams went from garbage teams to playoff contenders
Both teams were bad due to coaching, not talent on the roster. Doug Marrone in his second year and Sean McVay in his first year proved that a quick turnaround was possible with better coaching.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 6:25 pm to tiggerthetooth
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If you can name a team that has said they would have offered him the exact money he got from the 49ers, then I'll believe you.
Fact is, you can't because no team offered him anything.
No team offered him anything because San Francisco got the deal done and reached agreement 4 days AFTER THE SUPER BOWL, they're not gonna take the risk of him entering the FA market with all the hype over his 5-0 performance and I applaud them for that. According to reports, he has a good relationship with management and Shanahan and once they acquire solid ancillary supporting players they'll be rocking and rolling. Moreover, you do realize his agent is TB12's agent with tons of connections in the league and teams, you know that right? Not much of a stretch to predict he would've been offered by other teams when one factors that evidence.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 6:28 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Deshaun Watson
19 TD 8 INT passing at 61% with 200 yards rushing and 2 rushing TD's as a mere rookie in 7 starts.
Does anyone here believe Deshaun Watson is worth the same amount Garappolo is?
Probably will be maybe more once his rookie contract expires and he avoids injury the remainder of the way
Posted on 2/8/18 at 6:31 pm to schexyoung
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You keep saying this as if those five weeks were all the front office used to make this decision. Belichick has a great mutual respect for Mike and Kyle Shanahan. They know the type of player he was in New England.
How did that workout for Matt Cassell after he led New England to an 11-5 record?
You act as if there's more information on Garappolo than any other players there's ever been thus they "just know" he'll be good.
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Just imagine what he will look like after Shanahan installs more than 1/3 of the playbook and he gets just an average supporting cast around him.
Yeah, in a perfect world everything works perfect.
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Never forgot the NFL pays on POTENTIAL. Shanahan, Lynch and Belichick are likely to have a pretty good eye for POTENTIAL.
Matt Cassell.
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Both teams were bad due to coaching, not talent on the roster. Doug Marrone in his second year and Sean McVay in his first year proved that a quick turnaround was possible with better coaching.
So you admit you're claim that the 49ers just have garbage players is kind of a way for you to try and make Jimmy G look like some sort of football messiah?
The Jimmy G deal is closer to the Osweiler and Cassell deals currently than it is to any deals made with elite QB's over the last 2 decades.
I can't name any QB's that have only had a handful of starts, received big money, and then excelled for more than a few years.
Recent signings have said these type of deals are bad.
Osweiler, Kaepernick, even Cassel was a risk after only 1 season under his belt.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 7:05 pm to tiggerthetooth
Let me simplify everything.
Contracts are based on potential. We don’t know if Jimmy G’s contract is a good or bad deal. We won’t for a few years. Every situation is unique; therefore it’s a pointless effort to compare these unknowns.
What we do know is that the 49ers brass believes Jimmy G to be a top QB. They do not desire to wait and see that potential develop on another team. It comes down to your opinion of Shanahan’s ability to evaluate the potential of quarterbacks. I’m confident based on his past results.
Contracts are based on potential. We don’t know if Jimmy G’s contract is a good or bad deal. We won’t for a few years. Every situation is unique; therefore it’s a pointless effort to compare these unknowns.
What we do know is that the 49ers brass believes Jimmy G to be a top QB. They do not desire to wait and see that potential develop on another team. It comes down to your opinion of Shanahan’s ability to evaluate the potential of quarterbacks. I’m confident based on his past results.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 7:15 pm to schexyoung
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Contracts are based on potential. We don’t know if Jimmy G’s contract is a good or bad deal. We won’t for a few years. Every situation is unique; therefore it’s a pointless effort to compare these unknowns.
What we do know is that the 49ers brass believes Jimmy G to be a top QB. They do not desire to wait and see that potential develop on another team. It comes down to your opinion of Shanahan’s ability to evaluate the potential of quarterbacks. I’m confident based on his past results.
I agree with this deal and they didn't guarantee the whole thing just the first two years IIRC, not gonna use hindsight if it doesn't work out to argue it was a bad one in real time. I think because Jimmy's learned under McDaniels, TB12, and now Shanahan for a few games, he went 5-0 with that shitty San Francisco roster, he was traded to a fledgling squad with rising stars at GM and HC and the 49ers want to secure their franchise QB future right away instead of risking him to the UFA market and therefore build their offensive unit around him, this is a FANTASTIC MOVE for the San Francisco 49ers on this day February 8, 2018. Also, he's repped by TB12's agent so I guess that counts for something huh?
Posted on 2/8/18 at 7:20 pm to schexyoung
Many contracts are based on performance, not potential.
Cassel did his 11-5 for patriots.who were very good before and after.
Jimmy g did his with team with one win in half season. A few close losses.
We haven't seen deal. Maybe 25 guaranteed.
Cassel did his 11-5 for patriots.who were very good before and after.
Jimmy g did his with team with one win in half season. A few close losses.
We haven't seen deal. Maybe 25 guaranteed.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 7:31 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:You're going to downplay Jimmy G more than Brady haters downplay what he does.
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If you can't watch the tape of Jimmy G and Keenum this year and not arrive at the conclusion that Jimmy G was leaps and bounds better, nobody can help you.
1.) sample size
2.) completion percentage is near identical, Keenums ratio is much better, Jimmy had a higher YPG by about 25 yards but with on average 4-5 more attempts per game, Jimmy has a very high YPA that will in all likely Hood come down with the larger sample size. Case had a 22/7 TD-INT ratio while Jimmy had 7 TDs to 5 INTs
I think Jimmy is the better bet but to say he’s Leaps and bounds better based on last years performance is silly.
I can just see it
I welcome you as a respected opponent 
Posted on 2/8/18 at 7:37 pm to ReauxlTide222
Not at all. I’m a big fan of Jimmys game and think he’s one hell of a horse to bet on if you’re looking for a future star QB.
But I do think some of the storylines of his unquestioned greatness have gotten out of hand since the trade and hindsight had set in on the circumstances that lead to the trade.
Like with all of these new QBs, we crown them then bury them with the weigh of that crown when they aren’t the next great one. I feel the same way about Wentz and felt the same about Dak last year. We have too much evidence of same sample sizes not panning out to still be doing the crazy overreactions after they’ve played barely at all.
But I do think some of the storylines of his unquestioned greatness have gotten out of hand since the trade and hindsight had set in on the circumstances that lead to the trade.
Like with all of these new QBs, we crown them then bury them with the weigh of that crown when they aren’t the next great one. I feel the same way about Wentz and felt the same about Dak last year. We have too much evidence of same sample sizes not panning out to still be doing the crazy overreactions after they’ve played barely at all.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 7:37 pm to FultonReed
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Halfway through his contract he wouldn't be making tier 1 money, especially as a percentage of cap. It's also not his fault if the Skins can't manage the cap properly. I think the big difference is our opinion of Cousins though.
The Skins don’t have cap issues
So your point is invalid
Posted on 2/8/18 at 7:45 pm to wildtigercat93
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Not at all. I’m a big fan of Jimmys game and think he’s one hell of a horse to bet on if you’re looking for a future star QB.
And Shanahan and Lynch are two phenomenal jockeys to bet on relative to this as well, they're rising stars in the industry man and Jimmy playing in that Shanahan offense that wrecked shite in Atlanta in 2016 ooooooo
Posted on 2/8/18 at 7:46 pm to CelticDog
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Many contracts are based on performance, not potential.
Let me rephrase. Every contract pays for future performance, which to some degree in unknown for every player. Historical performance serves as a past indicator and is largely the only factor fans can observe. There are many other factors which a staff can evaluate to get comfortable with the future unknown. Shanahan has proven to be a good evaluater.
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 2/8/18 at 7:58 pm to tiggerthetooth
I feel like you're trolling
Posted on 2/8/18 at 8:01 pm to ReauxlTide222
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I feel like you're trolling
I'm inclined to agree with your assessment here
Posted on 2/8/18 at 8:07 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:Way to ruin my fun.
Not at all.
My thing with JG is I needed him to stay in NE with BB so I could finally prove that Brady is overrated when JG looks no different than Brady on that team.
Now that'll never happen. So I need him to be amazing in NE so I can tell my NE friends "I told you so" because I honestly think he could keep the dynasty going for 10 or more years.
And yes, I'm THAT big of a count
Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:12 pm to KillerNut9
I’m really surprised someone with only 7 starts got that type of deal. Garappolo must have one helluva agent.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:13 pm to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
His agent's TB12's
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