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re: MEMO: HIC Releases the Memo. Link to memo inside

Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:06 pm to
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:06 pm to
That’s it? I’ve been waiting to read the document itself, as opposed to the endless conspiracy fantasies preceding its release. I can’t believe that’s all it says.

So at the end of the day, the claim is that a FISA warrant for surveillance of Carter Page is called into question because Steele didn’t like Trump? So what did they get from Page’s surveillance? This doesn’t say. How did this harm Carter Page or anyone else? This doesn’t say.

I can’t believe that is it.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
99519 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:07 pm to
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I'm glad and feel safe knowing that the most advanced and powerful intelligence agency the world has ever seen gets their top secret information from Yahoo articles


Yahoo articles based on lies told to them by the author of a false dossier paid for by the DNC and Clinton campaign.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:07 pm to
Hahahaha

Weak as shite
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
49138 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:09 pm to
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I can’t believe that is it.


I know right?!

I can't believe all that memo does is show that the FISA warrant was obtained illegally.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
99519 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:09 pm to
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Isn't Mueller still investigating? Furthermore, SHOULD he be investigating based on erroneous info to begin with?


Fruit of the poisonous tree.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23914 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:09 pm to
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Weak as shite


Did you read it? What did they get from the surveillance of Carter Page? How has anyone been harmed? Really.
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14242 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:10 pm to
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No fisa would have EVER been obtained without the dossier

That's not what is says, but that's what it wants you to believe.

Saying that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information is not the same as the warrant would not have been obtained without the warrant.

Try and figure that out.

And, without the full warrant application, it is impossible to determine what, if any, other information was presented to the court to obtain the warrant.



Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23914 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:13 pm to
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I can't believe all that memo does is show that the FISA warrant was obtained illegally.


The memo doesn’t say that. It says that there is evidence of bias and conflicts that were apparently not disclosed. But it doesn’t assert illegality.

And it does not describe what fruit was obtained by the surveillance. You can’t even argue about suppressing evidence obtained from an improper surveillance unless something damning was obtained. This memo does not identify any fruit.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:13 pm to
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The memo doesn’t say that. It says that there is evidence of bias and conflicts that were apparently not disclosed. But it doesn’t assert illegality.


omitting facts from the FISA court, and lying about it is illegal.

Im sorry youre a tranny.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
27018 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:14 pm to
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the memo (written by Devon Nunes I'll remind you)


So is the source of a fricking document important or is it not?
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:14 pm to
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It says that there is evidence of bias and conflicts that were apparently not disclosed. But it doesn’t assert illegality.

Intentionally withholding potentially mitigating circumstances in a warrant request is illegal.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20952 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:15 pm to
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What did they get from the surveillance of Carter Page? How has anyone been harmed? Really.


And some people thought the Stalinists were all dead .

Who was harmed in a fraudulant FISA warrant? Their freedom and privacy are abused completely in a completely fraudulant way and you think nothing is wrong.

"Show me the man and I will show you his crimes" is no doubt a favorite quote of yours, no?
This post was edited on 2/2/18 at 1:17 pm
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23914 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:15 pm to
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Im sorry youre a tranny.


And you are incapable of intelligent reasoning. You can’t dispute my observations because those critical things simply aren’t there.
Posted by GeauxLSUGeaux
1 room down from Erin Andrews
Member since May 2004
23403 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:17 pm to
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That’s it? I’ve been waiting to read the document itself, as opposed to the endless conspiracy fantasies preceding its release. I can’t believe that’s all it says.


So you admit that the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign buying a fake dossier from a spy with an axe to grind to bring about a fake arse Russia investigation to smear an innocent man doesn’t surprise you?
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48797 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:18 pm to
The authors of the memo are not the finders of fact. They are the investigative body. They are not the ones that determine ultimate legality. Your ignorance of the process is the only thing you have shown here. You might want to be careful accusing anyone else of being incapable of intelligent reasoning.
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14242 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:21 pm to
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In other words, the democrats, MSM and Obama administration colluded with agents of foreign governments to influence the election.

How do you figure that?

None of this was disclosed before the election.

In fact the New York Times carried an article on October 31, 2016, that said that Trump was not under investigation by the FBI.
Posted by Geauxboy
NW Arkansas
Member since Oct 2006
4856 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:22 pm to
So if I illegally enter your home and just wonder around, sniff your boxers, pet your cat then leave.......has anyone been harmed? Really.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23914 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:22 pm to
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Intentionally withholding potentially mitigating circumstances in a warrant request is illegal.


Have you ever seen a search warrant affidavit before? All that is presented is the cause to search, not all possible defenses. Grand jury presentations are the same. It’s up to the judge to decide if the evidence is sufficient. This is real basic stuff.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23914 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:24 pm to
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So if I illegally enter your home and just wonder around, sniff your boxers, pet your cat then leave.......has anyone been harmed? Really.


It isn’t illegal if you have a warrant.
Posted by Geauxboy
NW Arkansas
Member since Oct 2006
4856 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 1:25 pm to
does that warrant have to be obtained legally or not?
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