re: Nintendo Labo

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I think that's what has people salty. Older gamers who grew up on Nintendo have always been hopeful Nintendo would 'grow up' with them, however all evidence appears that Nintendo is going the other direction. From a business standpoint it may be right for Nintendo to do this but for older, more mature gamers it feels like Nintendo is now no longer for us.

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Not for us? Oh good lord get over yourself.

It's one line of games. That's it. Boo hoo it's not some M rated splatter fest. Nintendo has released a few M rated games BTW, and guess what? They didn't sell very well. Even Eternal Darkness sold less than 500k worldwide. Never mind that Nintendo is the only reason Bayonetta 2 was made and even though it's sales were weak they are going ahead with publishing Bayonetta 3.

Also, as somebody who grew up with Nintendo, I do NOT want them "grow up" and leave behind series like Mario, Zelda, or Kirby. I do NOT want them to stop making new series like Pikmin, Splatoon, or Arms.

I'm not going to rush out and snag the newest Style Savvy for myself but my wife loves the hell out of that series and plays it to death. I've never much cared for Pokemon games either but my brother owns every damn one.

Should I be pissed at Nintendo when they release new ones b/c those games are not for me?

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Video game consoles aren't viewed as toys.

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I hate to break it to you but that's exactly what video games are. Toys.

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I think that's what has people salty.

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Ok, that may be fair, but...

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Older gamers who grew up on Nintendo have always been hopeful Nintendo would 'grow up' with them, however all evidence appears that Nintendo is going the other direction. From a business standpoint it may be right for Nintendo to do this but for older, more mature gamers it feels like Nintendo is now no longer for us.

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Can you explain what "grow up" means in this case?

What would be your ideal Nintendo console, and ideal 12 month release calendar for a "grown up" Nintendo?

Tell yourself whatever you want to make yourself feel better but video games are toys. It's ok to admit you like to play with toys as an adult BTW.

Interesting news regarding Labo

Labo to Allow for Custom Programmed Robots

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At an event in New York this afternoon, Nintendo representatives demonstrated this Toy Con Garage, which uses simple “building blocks” to let you program your devices. They’re essentially “if-then” statements. When you open up the program, you can select from a number of blocks based on input options for your Switch’s controllers, then connect them to other blocks based on output options. For example, you can connect the left Switch controller’s up button (input) to the right Switch controller’s vibration feature (output), so whenever you press up on the left Joy Con, the right Joy Con will buzz.

This is how Nintendo Labo users will be able to expand beyond the six types of cardboard creations included in the Variety Set or the one included in the Robot Set. Instead of making a piano, you can make a guitar. Instead of making a toy car, you can build a little cardboard man who falls flat on his face. You can mix and match different programs’ functionality—using the fishing rod to play music, for example—and you can even add extra Joy Cons to build even more elaborate programs.

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If this were even remotely true, the general public wouldn't view them as differently as they do.

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Eh, the only reason the public views them differently is because sports are generally more accepted than RPGs as a hobby. But the fandom is the same.

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I'm sure to the people who enjoy LARPING making such analogies seems like a good defense against attacks against their hobby, but the analogy doesn't hold up.

If you go to a flag football game and the QB is pretending to be Tom Brady and making everyone on call him Tom, then we can talk.

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I mean, I don't LARP, but last time I played flag football, it's pretty common for someone to make some comment or some comparison to real football players. Someone to say "Don't McNabb it," some to do an endzone dance, someone who compares themselves to Neon Deion, etc. Happens all of the time. My weekly is soccer and generally the same thing happens.

I mean, in general, the problem is people taking a Rec sport WAY too seriously. "We aren't in the World Cup man, calm down." Getting "into the game" when there's literally no stakes, is the same as getting "into the Kingdom of Suburbia" and throwing lightning bolts.

And that's fine. I'm not bemoaning the imitation of things we enjoy as humans, that's a normal activity and we all probably do it to different degrees and different hobbies. I'm just saying that anyone holding a hobby above another is way wrong on that mark.

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The most mainstream thing LARP'ing is analogous to is pro wrestling.

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That doesn't hold up because wrestling is more about the viewer's experience rather than the people playing it. People who have home wrestling matches would be more closely related. Wrestling as an event is a theater production.

I kinda think that's worth the cost. Programming your own musical instrument.

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It's just like guys who love football, wear jerseys, fantasy football, and watch football every Sunday who make fun of video games, board games, even Dungeons and Dragons.

You're geeks too, just geeks for football.

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Yup. I was lazy this year, but in years past, I've spent more time prepping for my fantasy drafts than I did prepping my first Morrowind playthrough.

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And I'm pretty surprised to see the animosity in response to someone saying they wish Nintendo made more games that catered to me. Pretty natural for you to want a competent company like Nintendo to give more of what you want than something aimed at your children.

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Well, typically people who critique Nintendo harshly and unfairly come in two types:

1) Want Nintendo to stop being a hardware maker and simply make gameson other systems where loss of control would effect the overall product, or
2) Want Nintendo to make "more games that cater to them," meaning making mature, violent games that probably fall in to the FPS/Open World/WRPG bucket. I mean, how many of those do we need?

And it's kind of tiresome to hear that when Nintendo can put out a BotW and Odyssey. No one makes games like that, but people want Nintendo to make games like everyone else. It's confusing.

They want Nintendo as a producer, but they don't want a Mario Game, a Zelda game, Splatoon, Arms, Aniaml Crossing, Kart, Smash Bros., etc. Honestly, I'm not sure they want "Nintendo games," what they probably want is Nintendo's quality, on adult products, minus Nintendo's often confounding hardware decisions.

As someone who likes Nintendo quite a bit, and won't be buying Labo, I think it's fantastic that they make stuff like this. It isn't for me, but it's super creative and might lead to something down the line.

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While Breath of the Wild is more in the vein of what people want, they want more games of that quality and scale. Whenever there's only 1-2 games like every few years, it creates a hunger for things that don't come often.

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2017 had BotW, Odyssey, and Fire Emblem Warriors. 2018 has Tennis Aces, Hyrule Warriors, and probably one of AC/Pokemon/Something.

We are talking about 1 company here. Yeah they are a big company, but Rockstar puts out like 1 game every 3 years. Bioware puts out 1 every year or so.

But companies that routinely put out more games from core units are EA, Activision, and UbiSoft. Again, people unfairly judge Nintendo for not putting out BotW every single year. And do you want Nintendo going the "Pump games out as fast as possible" route like EA?

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And the thought that no one makes "games like that" whenever both of those games depart from Nintendo norms by taking from popular Western games.

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Many people credit The Legend of Zelda to be one of the first, and certainly one games that did it well, open world games.

And Odyssey is about as Nintendo a design as you can get. It is very much Galaxy+64+Sunshine through and through. Sure they borrowed a lot, as all games do, but point to another modern game that is as good at doing what Odyssey does...?

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And if you think that people don't want Zelda, Mario, or Smash Bros, then I don't know what to say to you. You're missing the entire bit that people are asking for. Those are the only IPs that are keeping those people interested in Nintendo at all. That same group of people asking for Nintendo to "grow up with them" are the same exact people excited for Metroid Prime 4.

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And they are giving people a Zelda, they just announced a Smash Bros., and had already announced Metroid 4. So again, Nintendo is doing that. And releasing Labo. So what's the big deal?

Do you want Zelda to turn into Zelda of Duty: 2018 - The Last Hope. Zelda of Duty: 2019- The Laster Hope. Zelda of Duty 2020: Back to the Legend of Zelda.

And so forth. There is a lot to be gained, again see BotW and Odyssey, when you focus on building something unique rather than just pumping something out because everyone expects it. Call of Duty was pretty great at one time, I'd rather not see Zelda suffer because they just HAVE to make them. Hence, Splatoon, Arms, Labo, etc. and other products that keep them fresh.