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Question About “O’s Broken Promise” Narrative
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:33 am
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:33 am
I’ve heard all the radio guys saying that O campaigned on getting a top young OC, and that the Ensminger hire breaks that promise.
Why do so many of y’all believe that narrative to be true?
Honest question / not a flame
Why do so many of y’all believe that narrative to be true?
Honest question / not a flame
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Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:38 am to DontCare
He literally campaigned his intentions to hire the best coordinators.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:41 am to DontCare
LINK
quote:
With regard to the offense, Orgeron made the need for a great offensive coordinator clear: "We're going to look at recruiting the best offensive coordinator in football and bring him to LSU. We have a blueprint and a mindset and we're going to go out and get it."
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:42 am to S
People campaign all the time.
The fact that a young best coordinator didn't arrive is evidence that 1 does not exist or 1 is not brave enough to take the job. You can look right to the moron rabid negative fanbase for keeping quality coaches away.
The fact that a young best coordinator didn't arrive is evidence that 1 does not exist or 1 is not brave enough to take the job. You can look right to the moron rabid negative fanbase for keeping quality coaches away.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:43 am to DontCare
Very simple answer:
Because it is True.
Because it is True.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:44 am to DontCare
It's ok guys. Ensminger is the best OC in all of college football. Lucky us we had him on our staff this entire time and never knew. He was hiding his greatness from everyone. You'll see!
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:45 am to DontCare
it's not a narrativePosted on 1/11/18 at 12:45 am to DontCare
He has the job now... So "F You" to LSU. He is the head coach now and is gonna do what he wants to do.
Did anyone mistakenly think we hired a man with integrity on Black Friday 2016? If you did, you are naïve.
Did anyone mistakenly think we hired a man with integrity on Black Friday 2016? If you did, you are naïve.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:46 am to forever lsu30
quote:
The fact that a young best coordinator didn't arrive is evidence that 1 does not exist or 1 is not brave enough to take the job.
Sterlin Gilbert supposedly wanted the job and had the number 6 offense in the country this year.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:51 am to forever lsu30
quote:
You can look right to the moron Ed O for keeping quality coaches away.
FIFY.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 1:02 am to DontCare
Because O has repeatedly said" he's (the actual wording was "we're") going to and get the best coordinators available."
My issue is not with Ensminger at all, it's about the process of getting an OC. It completely goes against what O said repeatedly, a la Miles about improving the offense, which lead to Miles getting fired but O is doing worse. (Let's not turn this into a Miles thread please)
Ensminger has turned down the OC position on a full time basis, twice that I'm aware of. Why pay $3M to hire a man who's been an OC for years (Canada) and then fire him and replace him with someone who was on staff before Canada was even hired? It's completely irrational thinking and I'm stunned that A. It was considered and B. It was actually approved by Alleva.
The problem starts with Alleva, bottom line. It's more about retaining the $$$ the program bring in and less about what's best for the football program. Recruiting will suffer, less fans in the stands and so forth. You made this bed, Alleva, lie in it.
My issue is not with Ensminger at all, it's about the process of getting an OC. It completely goes against what O said repeatedly, a la Miles about improving the offense, which lead to Miles getting fired but O is doing worse. (Let's not turn this into a Miles thread please)
Ensminger has turned down the OC position on a full time basis, twice that I'm aware of. Why pay $3M to hire a man who's been an OC for years (Canada) and then fire him and replace him with someone who was on staff before Canada was even hired? It's completely irrational thinking and I'm stunned that A. It was considered and B. It was actually approved by Alleva.
The problem starts with Alleva, bottom line. It's more about retaining the $$$ the program bring in and less about what's best for the football program. Recruiting will suffer, less fans in the stands and so forth. You made this bed, Alleva, lie in it.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 1:05 am to I-H8-BAMA
quote:
Sterlin Gilbert supposedly wanted the job and had the number 6 offense in the country this year.
Yet the braintrust promotes a person from within who declined the position twice.
Alleva and O are flat out liars. It's a huge middle finger to the fans.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 1:06 am to forever lsu30
quote:
The fact that a young best coordinator didn't arrive is evidence that 1 does not exist or 1 is not brave enough to take the job. You can look right to the moron rabid negative fanbase for keeping quality coaches away.
The fan base didn’t run off a broyle award finalist because we didn’t want him to have full control of his offense. We aren’t the ones not interviewing OC candidates and promoting the TE coach. Your premise is not only unfounded it’s fricking stupid.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 1:12 am to DontCare
Because that’s literally what he came out and said he would do. And he had one, but reports came out and said that O handcuffed him which is why they literally had a meeting with Alleva. What other program in the country have you seen the AD have to step in to make the HC and OC break bread? Which is another promise he made that he broke, that he’d let his coordinators do their jobs. And now not only did we ditch him for SE, one of O’s buddies, O has subsequently brought some of his other buddies on staff, let alone getting Derek a job after becoming the coach. O is just up there setting up his friends and breaking promises he made to the public in true politician fashion.
If this by some act of god this works out then I’ll eat crow. But I’ve seen how successful programs are built. The way this is playing out is the complete opposite of the recipe for a successful program to be built. I will never root against LSU. I will never hope for failure. If they come out and light it up then I’ll be happy and behind the O wagon.
But this season didn’t impress me. We beat Auburn at home after being down 20-0, that’s literally the only highlight. We lost to Troy and lost to MSU by the largest margin in school history and lost to Bama for the 7th consecutive time. Rest of the teams we beat? All crappy defenses, majority of them replaced their coaches. Not exactly murderers row. Auburn is literally the only thing you can hang your hat on and for a while there we were about to get run off the field.
We’re LSU. I don’t want to hear “well the teams we lost to were really good teams” because we should also be a good team that is capable of winning those games. Next year we play the two teams that played in the NC this year in Bama and UGA, and two teams that played in NY6 bowls in Auburn (on the road which is a tough place to play) and Miami, and also Florida under Mullen on the road. Our schedule next year is gonna be a gauntlet, and if we’re a program worth their salt, I expect 10 wins in the regular season. We need to beat the teams that matter because we should strive to be a team that matters as well. The day that an 8-4, 7-5 season but the losses are to “good teams” is an acceptable outcome, is the day that we admit we’re a second tier program.
Tl;dr, we have a gauntlet schedule next year, and despite it if we win less than 10 games and we accept that and continue to let things play out, we are admitting we are a mediocre program.
If this by some act of god this works out then I’ll eat crow. But I’ve seen how successful programs are built. The way this is playing out is the complete opposite of the recipe for a successful program to be built. I will never root against LSU. I will never hope for failure. If they come out and light it up then I’ll be happy and behind the O wagon.
But this season didn’t impress me. We beat Auburn at home after being down 20-0, that’s literally the only highlight. We lost to Troy and lost to MSU by the largest margin in school history and lost to Bama for the 7th consecutive time. Rest of the teams we beat? All crappy defenses, majority of them replaced their coaches. Not exactly murderers row. Auburn is literally the only thing you can hang your hat on and for a while there we were about to get run off the field.
We’re LSU. I don’t want to hear “well the teams we lost to were really good teams” because we should also be a good team that is capable of winning those games. Next year we play the two teams that played in the NC this year in Bama and UGA, and two teams that played in NY6 bowls in Auburn (on the road which is a tough place to play) and Miami, and also Florida under Mullen on the road. Our schedule next year is gonna be a gauntlet, and if we’re a program worth their salt, I expect 10 wins in the regular season. We need to beat the teams that matter because we should strive to be a team that matters as well. The day that an 8-4, 7-5 season but the losses are to “good teams” is an acceptable outcome, is the day that we admit we’re a second tier program.
Tl;dr, we have a gauntlet schedule next year, and despite it if we win less than 10 games and we accept that and continue to let things play out, we are admitting we are a mediocre program.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 1:12 am to forever lsu30
quote:
You can look right to the moron rabid negative fanbase for keeping quality coaches away.
The fanbase isn't making OC hires, the head coach and the AD are. Fans are passionate about the football program and rightfully so and when garbage like this happens, they have a right to voice their displeasure.
It completely goes against everything O said when he took the job on a full time basis. He wants people, it seems, that will just say "yes" and stay out of his way and have little to no conflict. Just like what he did at Ole Miss and we know how that ended. I was on board with him for a while but this is the last straw.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 3:04 am to forever lsu30
Yeah let's continue to blame the fans for everything wrong with LSU football. Reality is going to give some of y'all a real good swift kick to the nuts soon.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 3:29 am to DontCare
I don’t believe he said young but he did say “top” coordinators and he lied. He basically lied about every promise he campaigned on. He wants his buddies over here so nobody will buck him or question him. The way he handled Canada alone tells you everything about this guy. Most of the negative press stuff that came out about Canada was false and Orgeron using his cronies in the media to plant negatives. He’s jealous that the coordinators get credit when they win and he gets the blame when they lose but hello fat boy that’s the life of every head coach. Orgeron is a scumbag and will likely be gone in 2 years or less.
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 3:30 am
Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:04 am to DontCare
You literally answered your question in your question.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 6:27 am to emanresu
The O premise was that he was going to be the organizational head, and would bring in the best coordinators and allow them full rein over their sides of the ball (I assume O was to coordinate between the two, to call for ball control when the defense is gassed, etc). That isn't happening, not on offense.
It became public knowledge that he tried to change the actual offensive approach in the Troy game, so he wasn't just going after tempo, he was going after the plays and scheme.
He has later said he's the coach, they will do what HE wants.
That isn't allowing the OC to run his system. So he's reneged on that part.
He did bring Canada in, and he's run him off after one season (in which the team didn't do too badly on offense). He's replaced Canada with Ensminger, the interim OC from the year before, the guy that was a reason he explicitly stated he would upgrade the coordinators (he wasn't referring to Aranda when he said he needed to bring in the best guys).
So he's reneged on that part, too.
It became public knowledge that he tried to change the actual offensive approach in the Troy game, so he wasn't just going after tempo, he was going after the plays and scheme.
He has later said he's the coach, they will do what HE wants.
That isn't allowing the OC to run his system. So he's reneged on that part.
He did bring Canada in, and he's run him off after one season (in which the team didn't do too badly on offense). He's replaced Canada with Ensminger, the interim OC from the year before, the guy that was a reason he explicitly stated he would upgrade the coordinators (he wasn't referring to Aranda when he said he needed to bring in the best guys).
So he's reneged on that part, too.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 6:35 am to DontCare
Well we didn't have football's best OC last year either.
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