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Posted on 1/6/18 at 1:54 pm to jgoodw318
Who wouldn’t want to score 70 pts per game?
Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
There's also Petrino when he was at arky and freeze(beat bama twice)
Posted on 1/6/18 at 3:49 pm to TheFranchise
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Okie St as well.
OSU under gundy has always run it really well
Posted on 1/6/18 at 4:00 pm to jgoodw318
From footballstudyhall.com
This is more of what Dino Babers, Gilbert, Urban run.
Spread concept built to run the ball.
There's a lot of overlap between these varying philosophies and in particular between the "spread to run" schools of spread-option ball and the smashmouth spread. The difference with this school is that these teams are all about using lead/power run games to be physical at the point of attack in order to set up play-action shots down the field.
Urban Meyer's system has evolved at Ohio State from the spread-option school into the smashmouth spread school as he's found that with midwestern OL it makes sense to take advantage of a spread out defense by running over isolated targets.
There are a few schools and coaching trees within the smashmouth spread that are fairly distinctive from each other and have evolved out of different approaches. First there's the Gus Malzahn school, which came largely out of the Wing-T tradition, and combined QB option with the power run game. Chad Morris is another coach within this school who puts perhaps a greater emphasis on the play-action passing game.
Then there's Dana Holgorsen, who came from the Air Raid tradition but started to emphasize formations like the "diamond" and the "spread-I" in order to get a two-back running game that would set up play-action down the field.
Finally there's the Art Briles school of offense that I call "the veer and shoot." The Air Raid followed the idea of "what if we designed an offense to be phenomenal at the passing game and milked it for all it's worth?" The Briles veer and shoot takes the idea of a power run/play-action spread offense to its logical extremes.
The WR splits make for intense spacing, the passing game focuses on attacking deep or wide with screens and vertical routes, and the run game is filled with down blocking angles and two-back lead runs. Even the personnel are chosen for their extremes, veer and shoot teams target the biggest OL and the fastest WRs they can find so that teams are really punished for failing to use numbers to stop either the passing game or the runs.
This is more of what Dino Babers, Gilbert, Urban run.
Spread concept built to run the ball.
There's a lot of overlap between these varying philosophies and in particular between the "spread to run" schools of spread-option ball and the smashmouth spread. The difference with this school is that these teams are all about using lead/power run games to be physical at the point of attack in order to set up play-action shots down the field.
Urban Meyer's system has evolved at Ohio State from the spread-option school into the smashmouth spread school as he's found that with midwestern OL it makes sense to take advantage of a spread out defense by running over isolated targets.
There are a few schools and coaching trees within the smashmouth spread that are fairly distinctive from each other and have evolved out of different approaches. First there's the Gus Malzahn school, which came largely out of the Wing-T tradition, and combined QB option with the power run game. Chad Morris is another coach within this school who puts perhaps a greater emphasis on the play-action passing game.
Then there's Dana Holgorsen, who came from the Air Raid tradition but started to emphasize formations like the "diamond" and the "spread-I" in order to get a two-back running game that would set up play-action down the field.
Finally there's the Art Briles school of offense that I call "the veer and shoot." The Air Raid followed the idea of "what if we designed an offense to be phenomenal at the passing game and milked it for all it's worth?" The Briles veer and shoot takes the idea of a power run/play-action spread offense to its logical extremes.
The WR splits make for intense spacing, the passing game focuses on attacking deep or wide with screens and vertical routes, and the run game is filled with down blocking angles and two-back lead runs. Even the personnel are chosen for their extremes, veer and shoot teams target the biggest OL and the fastest WRs they can find so that teams are really punished for failing to use numbers to stop either the passing game or the runs.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 4:03 pm to TrouserTrout
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Most people on this board don’t know shite about football.
that is a scientific fact
Posted on 1/6/18 at 4:08 pm to jgoodw318
You realize FAU and South Florida are top 10 in rushing this year and LSU is pushing 30 right?
Posted on 1/6/18 at 4:12 pm to CottonWasKing
It's almost as if having a passing attack that defenses need to respect opens up the run game
Posted on 1/6/18 at 4:12 pm to Tommy Patel
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Most people on this board don’t know shite about football.
I learned this in the past year. Absolutely SHOCKED the amount of people that have never played football before.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 4:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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since so many offensive styles have merged over the years, the generic "spread" term leads to these issues
Yep. These modern balanced offenses bear little resemblance to the old spread option, other than the fact that most of them lean heavily toward shotgun.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 4:31 pm to Carville
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The only “Air Raid “ offense was runbyHal Mumme and Mike Leach. It’s gone.
Actually, Freeze leaned heavily toward Air Raid at Ole Miss. it’s hard to know whether that was a chicken or egg situation. He never had an SEC quality RB, so threw it a ton and had the QB do most of the running for a 4 year stretch. I don’t know if he would have run it more if he had signed a better back, or if he couldn’t sign better backs because of the poor run numbers.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 4:33 pm to misey94
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Actually, Freeze leaned heavily toward Air Raid at Ole Miss. it’s hard to know whether that was a chicken or egg situation. He never had an SEC quality RB, so threw it a ton and had the QB do most of the running for a 4 year stretch. I don’t know if he would have run it more if he had signed a better back, or if he couldn’t sign better backs because of the poor run numbers.
Lucky for him because it forced him to run an offense that kicked Saban arse twice.
LSU had all time running backs and heisman contenders and couldn't even score 20 points.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 4:35 pm to koLSU86
quote:except for the fact that Air Rid nothing to do with run/pass ratio
Briles and Gilbert put up great rushing numbers. The power Spread that those two run is nothing like an air raid.
Posted on 1/7/18 at 1:40 am to tiggerthetooth
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Lucky for him because it forced him to run an offense that kicked Saban arse twice. LSU had all time running backs and heisman contenders and couldn't even score 20 points.
Well, that offense wasn’t able to bag an SEC West Title. It often fell flat against great defenses and they had the good fortune of catching Bama early.
I’m good with the Power Spread and Veer and Shoot, but I don’t want anything to do with Freeze’s system that he ran at OM.
This post was edited on 1/7/18 at 7:09 am
Posted on 1/7/18 at 2:31 am to jgoodw318
madden jockeys. They think that cheat codes work in real football
Posted on 1/7/18 at 4:06 am to jgoodw318
Just look at the teams that gave our defense problems this year. Mississippi State, Troy, Syracuse, Bama, Auburn(first half), they all run some version of a spread offense. I remember watching the Troy game thinking why can't we have an offense like that. On offense the last few years, we haven't done nothing to make opposing defenses uncomfortable and that's what the spread does. Imagine if Fournette and Guice ran threw the wide open lanes that running a spread offense could give you.
Posted on 1/7/18 at 8:36 am to jgoodw318
I don’t think those guys run the air raid.
Posted on 1/7/18 at 9:22 am to DCtiger1
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You realize that Oklahoma, FAU, and USF all had rushing offenses ranked higher than LSU? Hell OK State isn’t that far behind LSU.
The thing this kind of analysis misses, which I know as a fan of a team that ran the spread and is GLAD to be leaving it, is that those are not the same kind of running yards. Not all rushing yards are the same or accomplish the same thing.
Spread teams get running yards the same way that play-action gets passing yards.
Spread running yards are all gimme, misdirection, “we tricked you into putting too few in the box” yards.
Spread running yards are not imposing your will, grinding out the clock, crushing the other team’s confidence yards.
If y’all become a finesse team you will regret it, just like we did. The true recipe for success for LSU would be to keep your legacy of punishing ground and pound rushing intact but find some way to incorporate competency at the QB position.
Going to a spread would be throwing the baby out with the bath water. I’m telling y’all.
Posted on 1/7/18 at 9:24 am to jgoodw318
You just legit names 3 coordinators and are run focused and just have spread concepts. So at that point I stop reading your bull shite
Posted on 1/7/18 at 9:25 am to jgoodw318
Date a brunette for 9 years and watch how attractive blondes start to look
Simple as that
Simple as that
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