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When did wanting to win championships become a bad thing?
Posted on 12/30/17 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 12/30/17 at 8:14 pm
It’s sad. It really is. But we see this theme appearing more and more often from the various head coaching sycophants. First with Miles, now with Orgeron. It isn’t a coincidence that setting the bar in this way enables their man keep his job despite any underachieving. I just can’t understand how some people can become so enamored by one individual that they put his job security above the well being of the overall program...and they defend this position more intensely than the fans of the actual football team do. It’s just so weird. I can’t help but think this must be the same crowd who thinks everyone deserves a trophy just for showing up.
Keep the expectations low, they say. Anyone who thinks the goal should always be a championship must be spoiled ...or the trendier, “entitled”.
If you don’t care about winning championships, fine. But why is it okay with you that we spent millions to replace our head coach only to be right back where we started from in terms of actual performance? We’re basically doing no better than we were at the end of Mile’s tenure. We’re just as irrelevant now as we were then ...and we’re still paying someone millions for this?? Orgeron is laughing all the way to the bank at you. Sad.
Keep the expectations low, they say. Anyone who thinks the goal should always be a championship must be spoiled ...or the trendier, “entitled”.
If you don’t care about winning championships, fine. But why is it okay with you that we spent millions to replace our head coach only to be right back where we started from in terms of actual performance? We’re basically doing no better than we were at the end of Mile’s tenure. We’re just as irrelevant now as we were then ...and we’re still paying someone millions for this?? Orgeron is laughing all the way to the bank at you. Sad.
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Posted on 12/30/17 at 8:16 pm to tigertex1992
When wanting O to be a good coach became more important
Posted on 12/30/17 at 8:17 pm to tigertex1992
Well stated, much better than so much of what I’ve seen on here.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 8:19 pm to tigertex1992
Nah man, If you don't think O is a good coach then it means you aren't an LSU fan.
At least that's what I'm told.
At least that's what I'm told.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 8:24 pm to tigertex1992
You need to be happy with 10 wins brah, or go root for someone else.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 8:25 pm to tigertex1992
It’s not.
But expecting this team to win a championship was not realistic. Putting the inexcusable Troy loss aside, we still weren’t going to playoffs at 10-2.
And, running down the coach over everything that goes remotely wrong makes us a shitty fanbase.
But expecting this team to win a championship was not realistic. Putting the inexcusable Troy loss aside, we still weren’t going to playoffs at 10-2.
And, running down the coach over everything that goes remotely wrong makes us a shitty fanbase.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 8:26 pm to tigertex1992
Of course we should all want to win championships. Especially the coaches and players. If they want to consider anything less a failure, I’ve got no problem with it. But we fans don’t get to hold the trophies. We don’t get to order rings. All we get is the joy of the journey. And if you can only get joy in something that’s only come along 3 times in 100+ years, then what the frick are you really doing?
Posted on 12/30/17 at 8:28 pm to tigertex1992
Winning a Natty isn’t easy. There is a reason we only have 3...
Posted on 12/30/17 at 8:34 pm to tigertex1992
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First with Miles, now with Orgeron. It isn’t a coincidence that setting the bar in this way enables their man keep his job despite any underachieving.
It didn't enable Miles to keep his job nor will it enable Orgeron. Of course your not going to fire a first year head coach after 9-3, but he'll be held to the same high standard that cost Miles his job. There is no evidence of the contrary.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 8:40 pm to ROPO
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Putting the inexcusable Troy loss aside, we still weren’t going to playoffs at 10-2.
Please, this team was talented enough to go 11-1 at the least.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 8:47 pm to tigertex1992
When you have tree hugging hippies as part of your fan base
This post was edited on 12/30/17 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 12/30/17 at 8:48 pm to tigertex1992
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When did wanting to win championships become a bad thing?
My own personal take on the issue is this: Wanting to win championships is not a bad thing. I doubt there are any fans who don't want to win championships. Of course there may be people who claim to be fans but are really trolls or ringers who don't want LSU to win championships, but that's another issue.
On the other hand, being obsessed with championships and nothing but championships to the extent that the person can't enjoy watching the team play and taking pride in their wins is kind of a self defeating frame of mind. There are some for whom it seems to be all or nothing which is just kind of sad in a way.
None of this is in either defense of or attack of any coaches, past or present. I tend to cheer for the team and not the coaches so I leave all that stuff to others.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:05 pm to tigertex1992
What I don't understand is why everyone keeps saying O is a bad coach. Everyone agrees that Miles was a good coach that let the game pass him by and O has gotten the same results. The guy is 15-5 as a head coach after having the keep the train on the tracks last year and then dealing with the early season struggles this year.
Under his coaching, the team flipped the script and ended 9-3 after everyone thought we would be lucky to make a bowl game after the Troy game.
I am not going to make excuses for the Troy or Miss St. games because I believe that LSU should never lose to Troy and should never get blown out by any team, much less State, but to sit here and say the guy didn't get it turned around is just blatantly not giving the guy credit for the good job he did in doing that.
It is possible to say he did a bad job early on and a good job in the latter part of the season. It doesn't mean that you are an O-hater/lover. It just means you are looking and stating the facts.
The reality is we live in a society right now of absolutes. You are either pro or anti. There is no in between. It's like that in politics and it's been like that since the NCG in 2012 with LSU football. You either have to hate and bash everything or you are a "___"-apologist and get smashed on here.
Grow up people. Coach O will be the coach next year. He will get another year after that. I would rather support him and the team and hope they get to the top of the mountain than to crap all over everything for the next couple years. If the program starts sliding back, yes, look to replace, but right now it seems many of you guys are trying to find reasons to bitch about stuff for sake of just bitching because you have nothing better to do.
Under his coaching, the team flipped the script and ended 9-3 after everyone thought we would be lucky to make a bowl game after the Troy game.
I am not going to make excuses for the Troy or Miss St. games because I believe that LSU should never lose to Troy and should never get blown out by any team, much less State, but to sit here and say the guy didn't get it turned around is just blatantly not giving the guy credit for the good job he did in doing that.
It is possible to say he did a bad job early on and a good job in the latter part of the season. It doesn't mean that you are an O-hater/lover. It just means you are looking and stating the facts.
The reality is we live in a society right now of absolutes. You are either pro or anti. There is no in between. It's like that in politics and it's been like that since the NCG in 2012 with LSU football. You either have to hate and bash everything or you are a "___"-apologist and get smashed on here.
Grow up people. Coach O will be the coach next year. He will get another year after that. I would rather support him and the team and hope they get to the top of the mountain than to crap all over everything for the next couple years. If the program starts sliding back, yes, look to replace, but right now it seems many of you guys are trying to find reasons to bitch about stuff for sake of just bitching because you have nothing better to do.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:06 pm to stho381
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and then dealing with the early season struggles this year.
He dealt with him because he caused them.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:07 pm to tigertex1992
11/26/2016
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:19 pm to ROPO
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Putting the inexcusable Troy loss aside, we still weren’t going to playoffs at 10-2.
I actually would have been satisfied with the season at 10-2 with losses to bama and state. We were so depleted on the DLine against state I think we overshot our predictions as fans.
The Troy loss is just inexcusable. Good coaches don’t lose to teams like Troy at home. Yea I know Saban lost to UAB and ULM, but does anyone honestly believe that O is the next lord saban?
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:22 pm to Broski
My bad.....
I didn't realize O was the reason for the 112 yds of penalties or the 3/13 on 3rd downs against State.
I also didn't realize he was the reason for the 4 turnovers or 0/9 on 3rd down against Troy.
No, what happened is a relatively inexperienced team with a new OC and scheme went through some early season growing pains. It wouldn't have mattered who the coach was. The good coaching job was the fact that when every LSU fan thought 6-6 was the best we would do, he kept that locker room together and they figured it out a little more week by week.
I'm not saying O is a great coach, but after one year at 9-3 you can't really make a judgement. Saban and Miles did decent their first years, not great and both of them did well. Give O the chance and let's see what he can do with fan support, otherwise all you people who hate him will just be miserable because he isn't going anywhere for a couple years at least.
I didn't realize O was the reason for the 112 yds of penalties or the 3/13 on 3rd downs against State.
I also didn't realize he was the reason for the 4 turnovers or 0/9 on 3rd down against Troy.
No, what happened is a relatively inexperienced team with a new OC and scheme went through some early season growing pains. It wouldn't have mattered who the coach was. The good coaching job was the fact that when every LSU fan thought 6-6 was the best we would do, he kept that locker room together and they figured it out a little more week by week.
I'm not saying O is a great coach, but after one year at 9-3 you can't really make a judgement. Saban and Miles did decent their first years, not great and both of them did well. Give O the chance and let's see what he can do with fan support, otherwise all you people who hate him will just be miserable because he isn't going anywhere for a couple years at least.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:25 pm to stho381
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Miles did decent their first years, not great
Went 11-2 and won the west. That’s pretty great after two catastrophic hurricanes to South Louisiana.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:27 pm to tigertex1992
I bet Joe and O are liberals!
We know how liberals feel about competition!
We know how liberals feel about competition!
Posted on 12/30/17 at 9:27 pm to stho381
This is, at least, a very reasonably stated post. Without fully agreeing with you (because of schedule strength and a few other concerning factors), I can certainly appreciate this view.
I’m not ready to call it failure either, but he’s got to go 10-2 or better next year. Otherwise why get rid of Les? Got to improve on Les’ 9-3 avg records, not duplicate them or be worse.
I’m not ready to call it failure either, but he’s got to go 10-2 or better next year. Otherwise why get rid of Les? Got to improve on Les’ 9-3 avg records, not duplicate them or be worse.
This post was edited on 12/30/17 at 9:29 pm
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