re: Best possible finish

I wonder when the waiver would be given. Hopefully before February.

That would be a great finish but our best possible finish would include a qb, most likely Foster if we get one.

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The requested waiver may be a long shot.

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Here are the rules:

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15.5.1.9.1 Limitation on Number of National Letter of Intent/Offer of Financial Aid Signings—Bowl Subdivision Football. [FBS] In bowl subdivision football, there shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of prospective student-athletes who may sign a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid and student-athletes who may sign a financial aid agreement for the first time. (Adopted: 1/16/10 effective 8/1/10, Revised: 1/14/12 effective 8/1/12, 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)

15.5.1.9.1.1 Application. [FBS] A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid or a student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided in the fall term of an academic year shall count toward the annual limit on signings for that academic year. A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid or a student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided during the second or third term of the academic year may count toward the limit for that academic year or the limit for the next academic year. (Adopted: 1/14/12 effective 8/1/12, Revised: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)

15.5.1.9.1.2 Exception—Agreement After Second Year. [FBS] A student-athlete who has been in residence at the certifying institution for at least two academic years may sign a financial aid agreement for the first time without counting toward the annual limit on signings. (Adopted: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)

15.5.1.9.1.3 Exception—Incapacitating Injury or Illness. [FBS] A prospective student-athlete or student-athlete who, prior to participation in athletically related activities, becomes injured or ill to the point that he or she apparently never again will be able to participate in intercollegiate athletics shall not count toward the institution’s annual limit on signings. (Adopted: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)

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There is no exception for sr transfers in the rules. The only wiggle room that you could find is where they say sign for the first time. But this obviously means the first time with your institution or it would exclude any transfer which is not what they want.

I think that the political process that created this rule didn't consider it thoroughly enough. Eventually, I think graduate transfers will eventually get an exception, but it may take some time to get done--like next signing class at the earliest.

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You realize virtually everyone ahead of us also has spots to fill, right? 10th is probably our absolute ceiling.

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If you believe that ~271 points is possible, you'd have to assume that we close with most of Surtain, Marshall, Joseph, Chase, and Watkins. Exactly how do you think every team ahead of us tops that? We will be in the passing lane on NSD.

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Exactly how do you think every team ahead of us tops that?

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They don't have to "top" it, just lose by less than we can make up. We are currently at 225pts and want to be Top 10. We are currently at 15, and every team between us and 10 all have 20 or fewer commits right now. 10th place, Auburn, has 20 commits and is sitting at 250pts. If our ceiling is 270 pts, do you really think Auburn can't make up 20pts with is 5 remaining spots?
Hell UF is at 15 commits and are sitting at 226pts.

Its just math and common sense.

if we took a senior grad transfer kicker as one of the 25 spots that would be a monumental error. hope the staff has this sorted out.

Pretty sure we have at least one, and possibly two spots from the 2017-18 class that a spring enrollee can count against. I'm not sure if Seth Stewart counted against that class or not. I'm assuming he did. We might have more than that, because at one point last year, I heard we could take as many as 29. We only signed 24, including Stewart and Jefferson, plus the three transfers.

Edit: before anyone says anything, the provision is still written that spring enrollees can count on the current academic year (2017-2018) or the next one (2018-2019)

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A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid or a student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided during the second or third term of the academic year may count toward the limit for that academic year or the limit for the next academic year. 

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You need to track this stuff over multiple years in detail to actually know

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Even then it's really hard to know because you can't ever be sure if the class was truly maxed out or if there was still a spot or more left. I tried to figure this out last year, but quickly realized it was an exercise in futility. I think if you could track back to a year where we didn't have any enrollees, you could piece numbers together, but I was unable to find a year where we didn't have any early guys.

It's kind of amazing how this "hard cap" story has taken on a life of its own.

Y’all really worried about the recruiting “score”.......I’ll take all these 6’3” + 300lb maulers with our staffs approval over recruiting sites rankings! This class is gonna finish between 4-9 IMO, which is perfectly fine.

The average LSU recruiting class over the last 17 years is 8.4..............

7th last year, something close to that this year and we’re still at our average.