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Rian Johnson's reasoning for TLJ scenes (spoilers) (Updated with more)
Posted on 12/18/17 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 12/18/17 at 2:46 pm
Have we had a thread to discuss how Rian is justifying some of his decisions?
I will add more as I find them.
The opening scene "prank call"
Snoke not getting a backstory and early death
Ending scene
Killing off Luke
Rey's parents
Leia Poppins
On fan backlash
I will add more as I find them.
The opening scene "prank call"
quote:
I knew [the movie] was going to get darker in some spots just because of what we had to do. It was really important to me to, at the very outset, make a bold statement of, we’re going to have fun here also. Relax, you can laugh with it also, this isn’t just going to be a dirge . . . That was the one thing I was most nervous about . . . You can never know until you put it in front of a big crowd of strangers is if the jokes play or not. So I was very relieved when we got the laughs. Oh, that very first scene. That was really the one that was just, I was holding my girlfriend’s hand very tightly when that came up. Then I relaxed when the audience got it and started rolling with it. It’s so important to me because that sets the tone and the expectation that, oh, O.K., there are going to be laughs in this movie.
Snoke not getting a backstory and early death
quote:
“When I was working on the character of Kylo, I came to a place where I thought the most interesting thing would be to knock the shaky foundation out from under him at the beginning of this movie,” Johnson said. “By the end of this film, he’s gone from being a wannabe Vader to someone who is standing on his own feet as a complex villain taking the reins.” Johnson also thought it would be “a really good setup going into the next movie.” “But then the question is: What place would Snoke have at the end of that?” Johnson said. “That made me realize the most interesting thing would be to eliminate that dynamic between the ‘emperor’ and pupil, so that all bets are off going into the next one. That also led to the possibility of this dramatic turn in the middle, which could also be a really powerful connection point between Kylo and Rey.”
Ending scene
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“It’s mostly about Luke,” he said. “To me, it shows that the act Luke Skywalker did, of deciding to take on this mantle of ‘the legend,’ after he had decided the galaxy was better off with, had farther reaching consequences than saving 20 people in a cave.”
“Now the Legend of Luke Skywalker is spreading. Hope is reignited in the galaxy,” Johnson said.
“I couldn’t think of a more evocative image of hope than a kid who is playing with his Luke Skywalker action figure and being inspired by that to grow up and have an adventure and fight the good fight,” Johnson said.
Killing off Luke
quote:
“I had huge hesitance,” Johnson says of ending one of the most beloved characters in movie history. “I was terrified. It was a growing sense of dread when I realized this was going to make sense in that chapter.”
“I think the hero’s journey of Luke Skywalker concluded in Return of the Jedi. This [trilogy] is the hero’s journey of Rey, and Finn, and Poe,” Johnson said. “The [ongoing] story of Luke is one that has to play in tandem with that of Rey.”
Rey's parents
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“I was thinking, what’s the most powerful answer to that question? Powerful meaning: what’s the hardest thing that Rey could hear? That’s what you’re after with challenging your characters,” Johnson said. “I think back to the ‘I am your father’ moment with Vader and Luke, and the reason I think that lands is not because it’s a surprise or a twist but because it’s the hardest thing Luke and thus the audience could hear at that moment,” he added. “It turns someone into a bad guy that you just hate and want to kill into suddenly, Oh my God, this is a part of our protagonist. We have to start thinking of this person in more complex terms. We need to start thinking in terms of a redemption arc.” “In our movie, it’s kind of the opposite,” Johnsons said. “The easiest thing for Rey and the audience to hear is, Oh yeah, you’re so-and-so’s daughter. That would be wish fulfillment and instantly hand her a place in this story on a silver platter.” “The hardest thing for her is to hear she’s not going to get that easy answer. Not only that, but Kylo is going to use the fact that you don’t get that answer to try and weaken you so you have to lean on him,” Johnson says. “You’re going to have to find the strength to stand on your own two feet and define yourself in this story.”
Leia Poppins
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That scene originated because Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy was one of the fans who kept speculating about Leia’s Force sensitivity, director Rian Johnson said at the Q&A Friday. “She kept asking, ‘Leia’s a Skywalker, Luke gave her this speech in Jedi and told her basically, ‘You have this potential, too.’ It seemed to me it would be a really emotionally impactful thing to see her use it,” the filmmaker said. Johnson felt overt Force powers might only awaken in her this directing in the midst of a crisis. “I liked the idea it would be an instinctual thing. This would be more like stories you hear about parents of toddlers who get caught under cars and they get Hulk strength and lift the car up,” he said. “It would be something in these final moments to show that she’s not done with the fight. And like a drowning person pulling herself back, that’s how it manifests itself for the first time in her.”
On fan backlash
quote:
Lucas never made a Star Wars movie by sitting down and thinking, ‘What do the fans want to see?’ And I knew if I wrote wondering what the fans would want, as tempting as that is, it wouldn’t work, because people would still be shouting at me, ‘F— you, you ruined Star Wars,’ and I would make a bad movie. And ultimately, that’s the one thing nobody wants.”
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 9:33 am
Posted on 12/18/17 at 2:53 pm to Mystery
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That made me realize the most interesting thing would be to eliminate that dynamic between the ‘emperor’ and pupil, so that all bets are off going into the next one.
So just make it chaotic as possible and never address anything that was set up in TFA. Great decision, Rian. This was a direct betrayal and "frick You" to the audience who invested in this story.
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“It’s mostly about Luke,” he said. “To me, it shows that the act Luke Skywalker did, of deciding to take on this mantle of ‘the legend,’ after he had decided the galaxy was better off with, had farther reaching consequences than saving 20 people in a cave.”
Who is spreading this shite? The First Order? I doubt it. Maybe I'm just forgetting, but did anyone from the Resistance witness the full "fight" between Luke and Kylo? Then you've got a plothole with the Resistance having no idea what happened between Kylo and Luke. For all they know, Luke was killed by Kylo. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember anyone from the Resistance witnessing it to its completion.
This post was edited on 12/18/17 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 12/18/17 at 2:53 pm to Mystery
Surprised this little bitch has a girlfriend
Posted on 12/18/17 at 2:53 pm to Mystery
So he has to be dead to be a legend and give the resistance hope? Shouldn't you actually die a heroes death to do that, not just fade away without anyone knowing. Seriously, does anyone outside of Rey and Leia know he's even dead? They obviously know he's alive since the kid is reenacting the scene of him getting shot at by the AT-AT's. Who told the kid he died?
Posted on 12/18/17 at 2:58 pm to Mystery
The prank call is not even an issue with this movie.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:01 pm to Mystery
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This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:06 pm to Mystery
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That made me realize the most interesting thing would be to eliminate that dynamic between the ‘emperor’ and pupil, so that all bets are off going into the next one.
So, so stupid.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:07 pm to Mystery
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, he’s gone from being a wannabe Vader to someone who is standing on his own feet as a complex villain taking the reins.
Darth Emo ?
Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:12 pm to Mystery
quote:
“It’s mostly about Luke,” he said. “To me, it shows that the act Luke Skywalker did, of deciding to take on this mantle of ‘the legend,’ after he had decided the galaxy was better off with, had farther reaching consequences than saving 20 people in a cave.” “Now the Legend of Luke Skywalker is spreading. Hope is reignited in the galaxy,” Johnson said. “I couldn’t think of a more evocative image of hope than a kid who is playing with his Luke Skywalker action figure and being inspired by that to grow up and have an adventure and fight the good fight,” Johnson said.
And then he had Luke commit suicide?
Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:13 pm to Mystery
It's going to be tough to make Kylo Ren the big fearsome badass suddenly since A) the next movie is the last so he either turns good and/or dies and B) Rey is already 2-0 against him.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:14 pm to Mystery
quote:
I knew [the movie] was going to get darker in some spots just because of what we had to do. It was really important to me to, at the very outset, make a bold statement of, we’re going to have fun here also. Relax, you can laugh with it also, this isn’t just going to be a dirge . . . That was the one thing I was most nervous about . . . You can never know until you put it in front of a big crowd of strangers is if the jokes play or not. So I was very relieved when we got the laughs. Oh, that very first scene. That was really the one that was just, I was holding my girlfriend’s hand very tightly when that came up. Then I relaxed when the audience got it and started rolling with it. It’s so important to me because that sets the tone and the expectation that, oh, O.K., there are going to be laughs in this movie.
Was it funny on it's own? Yeah...if it were part of a gag reel. as the opening of a Star Wars movie? frick no. The least Star Wars scene in any of the movies to date...
quote:
“When I was working on the character of Kylo, I came to a place where I thought the most interesting thing would be to knock the shaky foundation out from under him at the beginning of this movie,” Johnson said. “By the end of this film, he’s gone from being a wannabe Vader to someone who is standing on his own feet as a complex villain taking the reins.” Johnson also thought it would be “a really good setup going into the next movie.” “But then the question is: What place would Snoke have at the end of that?” Johnson said. “That made me realize the most interesting thing would be to eliminate that dynamic between the ‘emperor’ and pupil, so that all bets are off going into the next one. That also led to the possibility of this dramatic turn in the middle, which could also be a really powerful connection point between Kylo and Rey.”
This is no way to have a coherent long arch story. It's like bad improve, where one member says "no" to the last person's suggestion. If ever next writer/director can come in and alter the story to kill the set-up, why should I as a viewer bother to ever get invested?
quote:
“It’s mostly about Luke,” he said. “To me, it shows that the act Luke Skywalker did, of deciding to take on this mantle of ‘the legend,’ after he had decided the galaxy was better off with, had farther reaching consequences than saving 20 people in a cave.”
“Now the Legend of Luke Skywalker is spreading. Hope is reignited in the galaxy,” Johnson said.
“I couldn’t think of a more evocative image of hope than a kid who is playing with his Luke Skywalker action figure and being inspired by that to grow up and have an adventure and fight the good fight,” Johnson said.
Didn't hate this and I enjoyed the imagery of Luke staring off at the suns as he became one with The Force.
quote:
“I had huge hesitance,” Johnson says of ending one of the most beloved characters in movie history. “I was terrified. It was a growing sense of dread when I realized this was going to make sense in that chapter.”
“I think the hero’s journey of Luke Skywalker concluded in Return of the Jedi. This [trilogy] is the hero’s journey of Rey, and Finn, and Poe,” Johnson said. “The [ongoing] story of Luke is one that has to play in tandem with that of Rey.”
No issue with him dying, but dying like that essentially away from the battle was not ok.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:33 pm to Mystery
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quote: “It’s mostly about Luke,” he said. “To me, it shows that the act Luke Skywalker did, of deciding to take on this mantle of ‘the legend,’ after he had decided the galaxy was better off with, had farther reaching consequences than saving 20 people in a cave.” “Now the Legend of Luke Skywalker is spreading. Hope is reignited in the galaxy,” Johnson said. “I couldn’t think of a more evocative image of hope than a kid who is playing with his Luke Skywalker action figure and being inspired by that to grow up and have an adventure and fight the good fight,” Johnson said.
Amazing. Every word of what he just said is wrong.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:42 pm to Mystery
Lots of "I"'s when he is referring to the decisions that were made about the movie. Having carte blanch is a movie can be good or bad. No one was brave enough to stand up to Lucas so we got the horrible prequels.
What is the issue here? Was Disney happy with anything he put out because they knew it would make a ton of money or were they OK with this?
What is the issue here? Was Disney happy with anything he put out because they knew it would make a ton of money or were they OK with this?
Posted on 12/18/17 at 4:02 pm to Mystery
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It was really important to me to, at the very outset, make a bold statement of, we’re going to have fun here also. Relax, you can laugh with it also, this isn’t just going to be a dirge . . . That was the one thing I was most nervous about . .
So in making the next installment in the Star Wars saga and dealing with issues like the Skywalker family, life, death, the balance of the force, power, war...his greatest concern was whether the movie was funny enough and whether the audience would be able to fully grasp just how funny the dialogue was that he wrote.
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I was holding my girlfriend’s hand very tightly when that came up
fricking beta pussy.
Can we get a real man to make Star Wars?
Posted on 12/18/17 at 5:08 pm to Mystery
His instincts were wrong on every count. Impressive.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 5:20 pm to Mystery
quote:
“I think the hero’s journey of Luke Skywalker concluded in Return of the Jedi. This [trilogy] is the hero’s journey of Rey, and Finn, and Poe,” Johnson said. “The [ongoing] story of Luke is one that has to play in tandem with that of Rey.”
what you think, is stupid.
the fact that these 2 movies exist, episodes 7 and 8, and Luke is the only Jedi alive going into them, means that his journey isn't concluded. You concluded it, in a stupid way, that no one is a fan of.
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