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re: Are there whisperings about Canada leaving?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:43 am to cj2002
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:43 am to cj2002
He's not getting another OC job for 1.5mil. For this season he gets an "incomplete" grade. There was nothing he did this season to attract other suiters for his service. That's not a knock on him. He just had issues with injuries, youth and QB deficiencies. We got glimpses of what his offense can be, but overall it was less productive than last year's offense.
If it's a HC spot then that's a different story.
If it's a HC spot then that's a different story.
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Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:46 am to Slippy
I think he'll be back
Posted on 11/22/17 at 7:12 am to Fus0623
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Didn’t Hanigriff last week say he may leave
Yes. But he qualified it by saying he had no inside info on it. Just that there was a rift between Orgeron and Canada earlier in the season.
I wouldn’t blame Canada for leaving. O made his job impossible early in the season and Orgeron probably wants Ensminger to be the play caller anyway. Funny how one’s approach changes when he’s got $3.5 million in annual income to protect.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 7:23 am to Slippy
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Only on here by the usual convenience store/coffee/donut/boudin shop HoF coaches that want to feel, but actually think they’re important, while trying to convince others that they are, and that they know better than any college coach and would score 50ppg and allow a meager negative 10ppg. This is all while they have time to always have the bestest tailgate experience.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 7:33 am to DBU
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God what a disaster that would be. O runs off the first OC he has in a year?
Can you imagine the spin being conjured up to explain away that happening?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 7:35 am to TheHat7
As long as Aranda stays Im good, he would be much harder to replace than Canada.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 7:40 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Can you imagine the spin being conjured up to explain away that happening
Ponamsky working overtime.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 7:40 am to TheHat7
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Ya couldn’t be more wrong. Canada has left every program after a year or two. He is hard to get along with and NC state fired him after year 2. Bret B couldn’t get along with him. This ain’t on O.
Wait...so it's apparently well known in coaching circles that Canada is an a-hole, impossible to work with and leaves almost before taking off his coat...but it's NOOOOOOOOT on O that he hired him anyway and will potentially be in the unenviable position of hiring a new offensive coordinator for year 2?
Congrats...this is why we can't have nice things.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 7:42 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Can you imagine the spin being conjured up to explain away that happening?
The groundwork is already being put in place.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:19 am to DBU
That would give O an excuse to not have his team prepared early next season and lose a few games he has no business losing.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:22 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Wait...so it's apparently well known in coaching circles that Canada is an a-hole, impossible to work with and leaves almost before taking off his coat...but it's NOOOOOOOOT on O that he hired him anyway and will potentially be in the unenviable position of hiring a new offensive coordinator for year 2?
I have to agree. If that's Canada's MO then we should have stayed away. We need stability, moreso at OC vs DC because changing offensively philosophy is conceptually more difficult than defense.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:40 am to BayouCowboy
Does anyone know the ins & outs of Canada's contract? If he leaves does he owe LSU any money?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:46 am to tiger nutz
If there are any canaries in the LSU mine, it is in the intentions of Canada and Aranda. They know from the inside what is going on with the program, why the 18 recruiting seems lackluster and, most importantly, whether they have confidence in Orgeron as a HC.
If either leaves, despite great compensation and a 9-3 record, something is very wrong.
If either leaves, despite great compensation and a 9-3 record, something is very wrong.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:01 am to nitwit
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They know from the inside what is going on with the program, why the 18 recruiting seems lackluster and, most importantly, whether they have confidence in Orgeron as a HC.
2018 is not complete yet and there was talk even before that this was going to be a down year. 2019 is already shaping up as a great class with 2 5stars already committed. This has nothing to do with the HC except possibly some hesitation with a new HC and system which will make recruits take a wait and see approach. That would be any coaching change unless its an elite top 5 coach and they don't change jobs often.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:11 am to Hot Carl
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It very, very clearly has not.
Though not seeing and being able to hit wide open guys may be a contributing factor.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:21 am to BayouCowboy
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2018 is not complete yet and there was talk even before that this was going to be a down year.
No there wasn’t. That talk began when all the three star Summer bumps everyone guaranteed didn’t happen.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:05 am to Hot Carl
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Our team is ranked #18 in the country. Our offense is not. They are ranked about #10, though. In the SEC.
That's your reasoning? That's dumb.
Back to the OP, if you are reading between the lines, it seems like both parties (Orgeron and Canada) are unhappy. Usually that would guarantee a change.
However, this is kind of a different situation. Orgeron might not have built up enough confidence to pull this off so early in his tenure. He needs to be carefully picking his battles. This would be a self-inflicted risk that actually reflects poorly on him. Unless he literally views Canada as a liability (this is not the consensus among the fan base), he would be wise not to force this.
Canada make be pissed at what happened, but he's not going to make the same money somewhere else that he's making here. He'd probably take a very significant pay cut. Remember, on paper, the LSU offense hasn't really performed well. The handful of high paying jobs will probably go to someone who is a little bit "hotter" than Canada currently is. Unless Canada simply can't stand the working relationship, or believes he will never be able to succeed under Orgeron, he'd be wise not to force this.
So, even though they both may be unhappy, it may be a situation where this is not the right time for a change.
Conspiracy theory: Orgeron has already made up his mind and it is part of the reason Brennan hasn't been playing. Orgeron is no longer married to Brennan being the backup.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:17 am to Slippy
Hearing there are HC possibilities for MC. Possibly South Alabama.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:24 am to moneyg
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Conspiracy theory: Orgeron has already made up his mind and it is part of the reason Brennan hasn't been playing. Orgeron is no longer married to Brennan being the backup.
Something is definitely up with the Brennan thing. O has had several takes on this during the year- sometimes varying. What we’ve seen play out hasn’t always been what’s been stated. Sometimes it’s been game situations but others it was like there were conflicting strategies. Almost points to the 2 coaches having different opinions on it. The main thing frustrating to me is that we’ll end up a 3 or 4 loss team and still will have a qb with little to no experience starting next season.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:28 am to MOT
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No there wasn’t. That talk began when all the three star Summer bumps everyone guaranteed didn’t happen
Yes there was. Anyone that even remotely follows recruiting knows that this was not a great year for recruiting in LA. There were no great RBs. Even DL and OL were thin and QB with the exception of Rogers was not great. We are still making a push in our typical recruiting areas of Tx and FL. We lead for Surtain, Joseph, Joiner and Marshall. last year Chaisson, Phillips and Taylor all committed late and were surprises. There's no reason to believe we don't make a strong push down the stretch this year either. One thing that does hurt is we were making inroads in GA, but Kirby has turned the Bulldogs around and will make it hard to recruit there.
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