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re: Car Board: Tesla surprises everyone with next gen Tesla Roadster
Posted on 11/17/17 at 7:49 am to jordan21210
Posted on 11/17/17 at 7:49 am to jordan21210
Interesting.
Had an argument with a friend in Los Angeles about Tesla yesterday. He told me he thinks 60% of new vehicles sold in 10 years would be electric vehicles. Which I laughed at.
While electric most likely is the answer, I still think it's a generation away from becoming mainstream.
There's so much infrastructure that will need to be changed and considered.
Current ranges of electric vehicles are silly to say the least. Only being able to drive 400 miles, maybe, is something that would need to be rectified. Charging the vehicle quicker, I don't know the current time, would also need to be remedied.
Why would I only want to be able to drive a certain mileage then have to stop for 8 hours? 12 hours?
Will there be charging stations instead of gas stations? How much will a charging station cost? A quick charge station? You can fill a 20 gallon tank in under 5 minutes and be on your way.
What about evacuations from natural disasters? Imagine the clusterfrick. Extended power outages after natural disasters?
A lot of questions I have.
Had an argument with a friend in Los Angeles about Tesla yesterday. He told me he thinks 60% of new vehicles sold in 10 years would be electric vehicles. Which I laughed at.
While electric most likely is the answer, I still think it's a generation away from becoming mainstream.
There's so much infrastructure that will need to be changed and considered.
Current ranges of electric vehicles are silly to say the least. Only being able to drive 400 miles, maybe, is something that would need to be rectified. Charging the vehicle quicker, I don't know the current time, would also need to be remedied.
Why would I only want to be able to drive a certain mileage then have to stop for 8 hours? 12 hours?
Will there be charging stations instead of gas stations? How much will a charging station cost? A quick charge station? You can fill a 20 gallon tank in under 5 minutes and be on your way.
What about evacuations from natural disasters? Imagine the clusterfrick. Extended power outages after natural disasters?
A lot of questions I have.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 7:51 am
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 7:50 am to Ace Midnight
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The semi will take a decade, IMHO, to make a dent in the market, if ever.
I don't think their autonomous technology will work for big rigs without LIDAR mapping. That's the route Cadillac and Mercedes-Benz are going....not Tesla.
Since Cadillac doesn't make large trucks, Daimler's US brand (Freightliner) is probably going to end up being the first to offer autonomous trucks.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 7:50 am to jordan21210
Why are so many dreamers like Musk bullshite artists? And why do we allow them to be subsidized by our tax dollars?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 7:51 am to jordan21210
quote:And likely total fiction.....
but holy shite those numbers are nuts.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 7:51 am to LSUtigerME
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Starts at $200k though. With another version at $250k.
In today's dollars, or 2030 dollars?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 7:52 am to Beessnax
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Why are so many dreamers like Musk bullshite artists?
Word is getting out about him. About time.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 7:52 am to TigerGman
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I'd be more surprised if they turned a profit without massive subsidies...
There it is. Muh subsidies.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 7:54 am to TH03
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There it is. Muh subsidies.
Even ignoring Musk's being a bullshite artist, it would be reasonable to be concerned with Tesla's future given the current political environment in the US and the existing timetable on those credits.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 7:56 am to goofball
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I don't think their autonomous technology will work for big rigs without LIDAR mapping.
Musk isn't pushing the autonomous aspect, which is surprising. These are driver-oriented trucks (non-sleepers at the moment for weight), with semi-autonomous helping features, good acceleration for Class 8 trucks - the only doink at this point is a 500-mile range on a charge.
I think his initial target will be regional routes for bulk carriers (I'm thinking FedEx, UPS, Wal-Mart) from distro to distro or distro to store, hauling box vans and such. Companies that want to go green and do maintenance/fuel cost analysis for suitable routes (I bet that battery takes all night to charge). Long haul will still be diesel for the foreseeable future.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 7:58 am to ThatMakesSense
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He told me he thinks 60% of new vehicles sold in 10 years would be electric vehicles.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:00 am to Enadious
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The last thing I want is some A-hole driving this thing on public highways...
There are only speed limits, not acceleration limits.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:07 am to ThatMakesSense
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Current ranges of electric vehicles are silly to say the least.
Meh. Comparable to a full tank of gas.
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Charging the vehicle quicker, I don't know the current time, would also need to be remedied.
Tesla's network (not comprehensive of course, but you'd be surprised how many trips you could take using the stations) but - best case, with Super Charger (that's extra $) and at a Super Charger station, you can go from about 0 to 300 miles range in under an hour. With a single 240v connection at your house, you can top off in about 9 hours.
Super Charger stations
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 8:09 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:09 am to ThatMakesSense
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Charging the vehicle quicker, I don't know the current time, would also need to be remedied.
I was just reading about this. Apparently there are some supercharging stations that can charge your vehicle to 80% in 30 minutes, which I believe is around 170 miles.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:10 am to Ace Midnight
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Super Charger (that's extra $) and at a Super Charger station
From what I read, it's free for vehicles that were purchased before a certain date. Not sure what the cost is for vehicles after that date.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:11 am to LSURussian
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And likely total fiction.....
The Model S P100D did 0-60 in 2.27 seconds, 1.9 from a more powerful and presumably smaller/lighter car does not seem fictional. Now, whether one is ever made is a different story, but I’d be willing to bet at least one functioning 2nd gen Roadster will exist to back up the claims. Anything beyond that, who knows.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:13 am to ThatMakesSense
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There's so much infrastructure that will need to be changed and considered.
The only real infrastructure needed is actual charging stations, the power grid is already in place, though we do need many upgrades to the grid itself which we should be working on with or without EVs.
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Current ranges of electric vehicles are silly to say the least. Only being able to drive 400 miles, maybe, is something that would need to be rectified. Charging the vehicle quicker, I don't know the current time, would also need to be remedied.
Current charging times at an actual charging station is about 20 minutes for a 50% charge, full charge takes 75 minutes. The vast majority of charging would take place at home in the evening/night. The only real issue with charging times now are for long road trips. While 400+ mile single day trips are a tiny fraction of normal car usage they are still an issue.
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Will there be charging stations instead of gas stations? How much will a charging station cost? A quick charge station? You can fill a 20 gallon tank in under 5 minutes and be on your way.
Yes, charging stations already exist and don't need to be at what we consider a gas station now. They can be stand alone with no employees. The Tesla chargers were free until the beginning of this year and vary from 10 cents a minute to 20 depending on the area. So for a 50 percent charge for roughly 170 miles they run you $3-6.
Regarding evacuations they would have some extra issues and storing electricity is not as simple as gasoline, you just can't have extra cans. That said gasoline stations can't pump gas without electricity either.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:01 am to Obtuse1
I read a report that the amount of energy at every gas station given out in a yr is equivalent to powering 20,000 homes. If we went to EV seems to me we do not have the power supply to do that
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:07 am to Beessnax
quote:You do realize that Tesla isn't the only car company using subsidies, right?
And why do we allow them to be subsidized by our tax dollars?
And 2nd, it's not like the government reached out to Tesla to give them a subsidy. It was there for anyone to take, Tesla wasn't special, they just took the subsidy.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:07 am to LSURussian
quote:Not really. The model S and current roadster are the most viable cars they can offer now. If they really went all out for performance and put the most power they could into a pure performance platform, with the 0 rpm torque and lighter weight, I can definitely see times like that. Motorcycles can go almost that fast now and they have power band engines.
but holy shite those numbers are nuts.
And likely total fiction.....
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:12 am to LSURussian
quote:Why's that?
And likely total fiction.....
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