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Why does it seem so many automotive journalists are anti-Uber?

Posted on 10/25/17 at 8:54 am
Posted by weagle99
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 8:54 am
The majority of the auto websites I look at seem to have a hard on for Uber and regularly post negative stories about the company. Jalopnik is the prime example of this. Why are these nerds so hostile towards Uber?
Posted by Rand AlThor
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 8:55 am to
Because the rise of Uber is contributing to the downfall of car ownership.
Posted by TheIndulger
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 8:57 am to
Critical thinking skills aren't the best? Talking about you, not them
Posted by weagle99
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 8:57 am to
Ahh, that is an interesting point.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 9:55 am to
Uber is a direct existential threat to them.

More Uber use = fewer cars = less need for automotive mags to "objectively review" the cars the car companies want to sell you = less need for "reputable automotive journalists"
This post was edited on 10/25/17 at 9:57 am
Posted by When in Rome
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 9:57 am to
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 9:59 am to
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Because the rise of Uber is contributing to the downfall of car ownership.


Then I assume someone has crunched the numbers? How can uber be cheaper than my own car? I guess it can vary widely by city. If I lived in NY and had to pay a second rent to park? Maybe.

Guess it’s just my Houston suburb living arse can’t wrap my head around using it for everything. And waiting for them.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 10:08 am to
It's the thin end of the wedge. It will take off when you can order up a self driving car and it will be there in ten minutes or less. At that point car ownership will become irrelevant except for hobbyists and people who live in remote areas.
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 10:16 am to
Okay but I don’t remember them ever attacking taxis, which is a similar business.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 10/25/17 at 10:19 am to
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How can uber be cheaper than my own car?

Car note: 500 bucks a month
insurance: 100 bucks a month
Gas: 200 bucks a month
Upkeep: 50 a month
Depreciation/Wear and tear: 50 a month

So, that's 900 bucks a month to drive a car, or 30 bucks a day.

For many people, Uber is close to breakeven as it is if they aren't driving a paid-off vehicle. With the increased upkeep costs of older cars, Uber still isn't that far from being able to match the price of ownership.

Once Google or Tesla perfects their self-driver and finally remove a human that has to be paid from the equation, it's going to be no contest that Uber will be cheaper. They won't have to pay people to drive and they'll be able to get MASSIVE fleet discounts when they buy their vehicles, so their prices will plummet, but they'll make it up in volume.

Uber pretty much has to have an end-game of being cheaper than owning and driving a vehicle to be a long-term success. At some point, they will no longer be able to grow by introducing their service to new cities because they'll run out of non-Uber cities. Then, they're going to have to grow by increasing ridership and they do that by being cheaper and convincing people to view transportation by car as more of a subscription service. As someone else said, car ownership will likely be relegated to the very rural and enthusiasts.

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Okay but I don’t remember them ever attacking taxis, which is a similar business.

See above. Taxis aren't an existential threat because they don't and won't displace car ownership for most people because their business model isn't tailored for that endgame. Uber's is MUCH more likely to cause a sea-change in how people use, own, and interact with cars.
This post was edited on 10/25/17 at 10:31 am
Posted by TheIndulger
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 10:28 am to
Yeah, for the many millions of people in the US who live and work in dense cities, and take public transportation to work, they may decide they don't need a car for the 2 times a week they drive somewhere. Why bother when you can take a $10 Uber ride and just get dropped off and picked up at your destination without finding parking? Or rent a car for $100 if you want to take a vacation out of town.

Posted by busbeepbeep
When will then be now?
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 10:31 am to
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Why bother when you can take a $10 Uber ride and just get dropped off and picked up at your destination without finding parking

I find myself ubering every time I go out in Houston just because parking seems to be a real pain, so that means you pretty much break even, plus don't have to worry about drinking/driving.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 10:34 am to
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They won't have to pay people to drive


You really think Uber passes that off to the customer though? I would guess dates drop by 5 or 10%, if that.
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 10:38 am to
Younger millennials and the generation behind them don't care nearly as much about car ownership. About 40% don't have a license at 19!

Uber/Lyft is a big reason.
Posted by TheIndulger
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 10:41 am to
Yeah there's really no reason to have a DD when you can pay $20 for Uber
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 10:56 am to
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Yeah, for the many millions of people in the US who live and work in dense cities, and take public transportation to work, they may decide they don't need a car for the 2 times a week they drive somewhere. Why bother when you can take a $10 Uber ride and just get dropped off and picked up at your destination without finding parking? Or rent a car for $100 if you want to take a vacation out of town.


Not even dense cities. Think about a small town that has 1000 cars total. The vast majority of those cars just sit around all the time and are never used. Uber's model will allow that town to operate on a few hundred vehicles once autonomous cars arrive. The cars would just kinda spread themselves around the city and park. Uber would determine how many cars are in a given area with algorithms that detect usage patterns and are able to shift resources on the fly as usage dictates. Uber needs one garage and some mechanics to maintain their fleet, but otherwise, the fleet just disperses itself around the town. You need to go the grocery store, you just tell Uber what kind of vehicle you need and the closest one drives up in a minute or two. Breakdowns? No problem. Sit tight and a new car will pull up and you leave the broken one where it is and go about your day.

The beauty is that your city is NOT in isolation, though, so breakdowns or increased demand causing shortages is handled. Right now, Uber does this through surge pricing to get more drivers to get on the roads with their cars in an area, but the same algorithms could signal where to send more autonomous cars just as easily. If Uber's networks detect that demand in Baton Rouge is rising (Saturday in the fall, perhaps), it can move resources from ANYWHERE in response to that demand in real time. Pull a car from New Roads, pull one from Prarieville. Pull a couple from New Orleans. The cars would be self-driving and free-roaming, so they could respond automatically to demand and, even better, use predictive algorithms to move resources into place as demand is rising, not just responding to demand. Why wait to move cars into BR when demand suddenly spikes on a Saturday in the fall if you know which Saturdays you can expect to see a spike and can move resources ahead of that spike? You can't think of it in terms of how many cars your little town or part of your city would need. Your little town would just be part of the larger heat map of usage in the country and the network would be fluidly responding to demand and moving cars around.

Of course, this is not going to happen tomorrow or next year, but it's a pretty strong possibility for how Uber paired with self-driving cars can fundamentally change things.

Like I said, Uber paired with self-driving cars has the potential to be a complete game-changer when it comes to how we get around.
This post was edited on 10/25/17 at 11:16 am
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 10/25/17 at 10:59 am to
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You really think Uber passes that off to the customer though? I would guess dates drop by 5 or 10%, if that.

They'd HAVE to. Remember, Uber's whole business model, even now, is predicated on getting you to use their service, even it it means foregoing the use of your own vehicle. To do that on a massive scale and grow by increasing ridership instead of expanding into new markets, they HAVE to be cheaper to use than your own car, not just more convenient. In other words, long-term, they've got to convince you to give up your car and use their service at all times, not just when you're out drinking or are going somewhere inconvenient to drive yourself. That means being cheaper than owning your own.
This post was edited on 10/25/17 at 11:18 am
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 11:03 am to
Disruption in the industry
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 11:21 am to
It's pretty simple. It's not just auto journalists. It's journalists. Why?

Journalists are liberals. Liberals support big government causes. Journalists support heavy regulation. Taxis are heavily regulated. Uber is not. Uber is a direct threat to taxis.

The end
Posted by YipSkiddlyDooo
Member since Apr 2013
3789 posts
Posted on 10/25/17 at 12:12 pm to
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The vast majority of those cars just sit around all the time and are never used. Uber's model will allow that town to operate on a few hundred vehicles once autonomous cars arrive. The cars would just kinda spread themselves around the city and park.


You hear this all the time from the autonomous driving blowhards. Something about cars being parked 90% of the day. Im all for cars that will do all the work for me but the problem is with the assumption that more autonomy means drastically less cars. Cars may be parked 90% of the time but in a couple hours in the morning and again in the afternoon, 90% of cars are on the road as people go to and from work, drop off and pick up kids, etc. having 100 autonomous cars instead of 1000 personal vehicles can’t solve that problem...unless you are going to force certain companies/schools/medical offices/etc to adjust their hours of operation.
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