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re: 680 The Fan-Atlanta talking LSU football
Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:00 pm to 12Pence
Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:00 pm to 12Pence
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Serious question: Is it normal for other AD and coaches to meet and "get on the same page" during the first quarter of the season? Obviously I don't follow other programs, so this is a major "WHAT THE frick - THIS IS A SHITSHOW" moment to me.
One would assume that this would be taken care of before the start of a season, or dare I say, before signing a contract to work together. However, of all the recent developments, this is hardly the one that jumps out at me as a major "WHAT THE frick - THIS IS A SHITSHOW" moment.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 5:03 pm
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:03 pm to Dawgfan128
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I knew you were stupid, I honestly just didn't know you were this stupid. I'm out of this ignorant debate
This hasn't been a debate. It's just you spouting off stupid shite while I keep proving it wrong with actual evidence.
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Hey, I hope key comes out like a beast Saturday, and for the rest of the year, and becomes the top draft pick.
As I've already proven by posting Clowney's stats, he doesn't have to.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:03 pm to Dawgfan128
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I'm out of this ignorant debate
You were never really in it.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:04 pm to RB10
Dude. Wtf are you talking about? If anything, NFL scouts are focusing on how key performs this season even more because of his shoulder surgery. Why do you believe they will disregard this season and not out any emphasis on him being completely different after his surgery? That, and his work ethic obviously slacked off with him gaining bad wieght in the offseason and playing out of shape and getting tired easily compared to last year. Hell, he might as well have sat out this season then from your pov, since this season doesn't matter to scouts.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:06 pm to GuiceTheGreat
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If anything, NFL scouts are focusing on how key performs this season even more because of his shoulder surgery.
No, they wont. They will have their team doctors evaluate him and determine his progress. They know what he is capable of. His stock will not significantly fall based on what he does this year.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:07 pm to GuiceTheGreat
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Dude. Wtf are you talking about? If anything, NFL scouts are focusing on how key performs this season even more because of his shoulder surgery. That's common sense.
As a top 3 pick, sure.
With a good combine and workouts, which we all know he will have, he will still likely be a mid-1st round pick.
Everyone knows the shoulder isn't what's holding him back this year. Get your fricking heads out of your arse.
ETA: Hell, if nothing else he gets to play the "I wasn't 100% but wanted to be out there with my team" card.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:08 pm to RB10
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Do you think he falls out of the first round? If not your point is moot.
As of right now, yes I do think he falls out of the 1st round. If he gets himself in shape and starts to show glimpses of his 2016 self then no, but that's too be determined.
Teams are also going to be concerned about his character and his work ethic. Given all the questions about his "sabbatical", coming into the season as out of shape as he was, is not a great look. I'm sure there are people questioning whether he cares or really wants to play football.
All of these things are going to be considered and a 1st round pick is a big investment. Key has work to do IMO
Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:08 pm to GuiceTheGreat
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Why do you believe they will disregard this season and not out any emphasis on him being completely different after his surgery? That, and his work ethic obviously slacked off with him gaining bad wieght in the offseason and playing out of shape and getting tired easily compared to last year. Hell, he might as well have sat out this season then from your pov, since this season doesn't matter to scouts.
Because they understand that he was unable to work out coming off the shoulder surgery and was out of shape because of it.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:09 pm to RB10
Yeah, it seems to be him not giving a frick in the offseason and allowing himself to blow up in wieght, making him less effective. That says something about his work ethic in and of itself. That's not good.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:10 pm to RB10
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which we all know he will have,
Do we though? In the shape he's in now? What if he's lazy and doesn't get serious prepping for the combine like he was the entire off season?
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:11 pm to UpToPar
I hope you're right. He's definitely a completely different player so far this season for LSU though. I just don't know what could make that big of a difference in his performacne in 1 offseason. Unless he's just tanking it on purpose, which I despise. I hope he turns it on and plays like he did last year bc he showed top 10 draft pick ability last year. I just don't get what happened to him so quickly.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:12 pm to UpToPar
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Because they understand that he was unable to work out coming off the shoulder surgery and was out of shape because of it.
People have surgery all the time and don't come into the season 30 pounds overweight. He wasn't immobilized for the last 8 months, he clearly just didn't take care of himself.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:13 pm to lsufball19
Exactly. It's not good at all, no matter how your look at it, for him to show up completely out of shape like he did. That sas something about character and work ethic. So he didn't work out as much? Does that mean ye should show up 30 pounds overweight? Seems like he sat on his arse eating twinkles and drinking sodas or something.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:14 pm to lsufball19
Yep. We are thinking the same on arden. He needs to get his he'd out of his arse and play ball. He needs to commit to being the best player he can be...like a fricking professional. No matter if your shoulder was hurt or not, there's still things you can do to keep from blowing up 30 pounds in bad weight. I think he could learn alot about being a pro and treating football like a career by coming back and maturing a bit more before he goes to the league.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:18 pm to Dawgfan128
I have to agree with dawg here on this one.
Number 2 is pure speculation but numbers 1 and 3 are facts.
Number 2 is pure speculation but numbers 1 and 3 are facts.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:20 pm to lsufball19
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Teams are also going to be concerned about his character and his work ethic. Given all the questions about his "sabbatical", coming into the season as out of shape as he was, is not a great look. I'm sure there are people questioning whether he cares or really wants to play football.
I've already addressed this ITT. Clowney has something like 25 total tackles and 3 sacks his final season and was notorious for taking plays off.
The NFL doesn't give a shite about character or heart when they think they can pay you to give them double digit sacks.
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Do we though? In the shape he's in now? What if he's lazy and doesn't get serious prepping for the combine like he was the entire off season?
1. The combine is 6 months away. He won't be anything close to what he is now.
2. This entire saga comes off as a guy mailing it in to make sure he's healthy for the NFL. Do you honestly think he's not going to show up to the biggest day of his career in the best shape he can possibly be in?
You're a better poster than this. Get your head out of your arse man.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:23 pm to lsufball19
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People have surgery all the time and don't come into the season 30 pounds overweight. He wasn't immobilized for the last 8 months, he clearly just didn't take care of himself.
Key mailed it in before the season. You don't leave your team in The off-season like that and then show up 40 pounds overweight unless you just don't give a shite. The surgery is just an additional excuse for him to use.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:26 pm to RB10
It just seems like you honestly believe arden key will be a first round draft pick no matter what he does this season. I don't see it that way. He needs to start putting out and showing he's the same player he was. That's all fine and dandy that it worked out for clowney the way it did. Don't be so naive to believe that it will work out for every player the same way just bc it did for clowney. Lol you get your head out of your arse.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:27 pm to RB10
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2 of the last 4 number one picks were SEC pass rushers who were notorious for taking off entire series at a time. Sometimes entire games.
Clowney also was the most gifted pass rusher of the last 10-15 years, maybe longer I don't remember that same knock on Garrett. I remember his production versus elite talent being questioned along with his run defense.
With Key, it's not even taking plays off. Right now, he isn't a good football player. Even when he isn't "taking plays off", he isn't causing disruption. He doesn't have the same burst. He's out of shape, slow. He's simply not a good SEC level defensive player right now, which is a much bigger issue than taking plays off.
ETA: I don't know if Guice is checked out. I think he's legitimately banged up.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:34 pm to GuiceTheGreat
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I just don't get what happened to him so quickly.
Like his dad said in the interview it seemed football took over his life. He stepped back and got everything in perspective but at the same time got out of shape. He dealt with the shoulder but now this team isn't playing with any enthusiasm. Everything snowballed. Hope they can get it together from here on out but it's going to be tough.
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