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re: Missing LSU Student remains found - Woods between Nicholson and burbank

Posted on 9/30/17 at 10:23 am to
Posted by georgia
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Posted on 9/30/17 at 10:23 am to
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terrible irony and terrible tragedy.



Accurate, and I know people get angry with people who have taken their lives and see it as selfish, and maybe it is, but isn’t it just as selfish to make that pain all about how it makes THEM feel, what THEY are left with rather than to try and understand the level of despair and pain that would make someone so desperate to get out of it that they would end their own life?
I don’t mean this for you directly, but that idea to me is kind of part of the problem. People are inherently selfish, each generation more so, and I don’t think that one persons act is any more selfish than another’s. Maybe if we were all a little less selfish in our daily actions it would change future generations for the better.
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 9/30/17 at 10:33 am to
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Maybe if we were all a little less selfish in our daily actions it would change future generations for the better.
I think I get your point and to folks in a "normal" mental state it makes perfect sense.

Unfortunately to someone suffering from true fullbore depression, they don't have the capacity to consider the act rationally and how it IS selfish.

(It's akin to trying to reason with a drunk)

Destigmatizing Mental Illness will help, in that fashion we are better off today and will probably get even better at in the future.
This post was edited on 9/30/17 at 10:36 am
Posted by OweO
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Posted on 9/30/17 at 10:34 am to
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Thank you for posting. It truly is a silent thing. The past few years have been very rough, and I’ve had moments of suicidal ideation recently. Not actively wanting to die, but not wanting to be alive, either. Very, very isolated. People who interact with me daily would be shocked; I just hide it. I’m not suicidal, but for the first time in my life, I understand what it feels like. It sucks.



ELT, I guess I would call it temporary depression, but for it was maybe 3 or 4 months in my life I dealt with depression and it is something people will not understand until they go through it. I've had thoughts, but I was never on the verge of doing anything to harm myself, however; I can completely understand how someone gets to that point.

For me, I had to force myself to get out and be active, which was extremely hard for me because I just wanted to lay in bed. I would avoid people as much as possible and that was not at all like me, but it is something a lot of people deal with.. Keep fighting! There is always brighter days ahead.
Posted by georgia
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Posted on 9/30/17 at 10:39 am to
Yeah, I think more along the line of if selfishness wasn’t the default reaction to situations in the future it would be easier to see that proactively for future generations because they wouldn’t be so desensitized to it the way we are already.

**desensitized to being selfish, not mental illness and/or depression or suicide
This post was edited on 9/30/17 at 10:42 am
Posted by Evil Little Thing
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Posted on 9/30/17 at 10:41 am to
Everyone sees it as selfish (and it is terrible to see the aftermath). But I’d wager that most depressed people who go that route truly believe they are a burden to their loved ones. That everyone will be better off in the long run without having to deal with them. It isn’t necessarily that they feel unloved or that nobody cares. Because they believe they’re a buden, it doesn’t seem selfish if they do something to alleviate that buden (in their warped view).
This post was edited on 9/30/17 at 10:43 am
Posted by Rouge
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Posted on 9/30/17 at 10:45 am to
For the sane to try and understand the mind of the insane is quite the futile task.
Posted by Evil Little Thing
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Posted on 9/30/17 at 10:46 am to
I know. I was more explaining what went through my mind in those moments.
Posted by Rouge
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Posted on 9/30/17 at 10:55 am to
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was more explaining what went through my mind in those moments.
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Posted by Evil Little Thing
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Posted on 9/30/17 at 10:58 am to
Lol. You missed the other pages of this post.
Posted by gingerkittie
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Posted on 9/30/17 at 11:01 am to
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But I can't help but wonder, and yeah I'm about to go there, this is a 21 year old white male from a good family. Why is there so much attention on this young man who was fighting demons and committed suicide, but not nearly enough coverage on the shooting death at the hands of another of a 17 or 18 year old black young man?

It sucks, but it's true. If we as a community spent nearly as much time trying to help seek closure for those families haunted by homicide as we do on the family of a young man who committed suicide, I can damn near guarantee Baton Rouge would not be breaking homicide records


Sorry for going off topic of this tragic story. Ignore if you wish but thought this had to be answered to.

The reasons why this case would get attention and a black male being killed by another black male would not can be attributed a few reasons. I am not making this a black vs white issue but simply going with the 2 examples given.

The white student going missing and/or found dead scenario is a rare and isolated event. Their disappearance is uncharacteristic of them and the community. By contrast, the black male homicides happen nearly everyday. (Note that white meth addicts who disappear don't often get great coverage since they do disappear for day on binges because that is characteristic of them).

The white community, white families will put forth considerable productive effort to find the victim and the answers. Meanwhile the black community often refuses to help police find the killers, even when a young child is killed. Their "don't snitch" and refusal to talk with police means killers are free to kill again and again. The victim's family may even take matters in their own hands and retaliate by committing a drive by and thus yet another black male homicide victim and on and on.

BTW, remember Terrilynne Monette? She was a young black woman in New Orleans who disappeared. She was teacher and productive, upstanding member of society so she had enormous community support. She also had a devoted family and friends who worked tirelessly with cops and authorities.

It often comes down to family, friends and their enormous efforts who assist and push for answers and closure. They put their own money into the search. The recruited people to search.

THAT makes all the difference. They turned New Orleans upside down looking for her for 4 months. the dredged and pulled dozens of cars from canals and waterways. She was found after 97 days of tireless effort. No foul play, she had simply accidentally driven into the water and drowned. Such a very sad case of a very loved young woman.

Also the urgency in looking for the missing LSU student was because he was in known distress, he could have still been alive and in great need of help.

Its not a black and white thing at all. It's the individual circumstances, the families and community that make all the difference.
Posted by Rouge
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Posted on 9/30/17 at 11:05 am to
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Evil Little Thing
don't take it personally. My attention span is this short with all females
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 9/30/17 at 11:08 am to
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My attention span is this short with all females

your attention span isnt the only things that short with the ladies

BOOM

roasted
Posted by Hunter6868
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Posted on 9/30/17 at 11:13 am to
@Pico GFY
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 9/30/17 at 11:20 am to
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but I don’t remember what it felt like to be genuinely excited about life.


Typical adult issue. There are many ways to deal with this depending on personality type. I can't say life seems exciting like it was when I was younger, but I found peace which supersedes excitement IMO. Sometimes shedding some things in life can help.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 9/30/17 at 11:28 am to
Literally every goddamn thing on earth has to turn into a racial issue. It's trite. Face it, the civil rights struggle is over. I'm sorry you missed out on the 1960s, but you did. If you want to fight oppression, go to any number of countries and fight the real oppression that exists elsewhere.
Posted by Nynna11
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 9/30/17 at 11:29 am to
How could he have been in the marines and still be on schedule to graduate in May if he was only 21?
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 9/30/17 at 11:31 am to
This is just so sad....
Posted by MajorMacD
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 9/30/17 at 11:31 am to
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frick no. America has always been a nation of many races and cultures.


Not true.
Posted by Mr. Hangover
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Posted on 9/30/17 at 11:36 am to
You are such a piece of shite
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 9/30/17 at 11:39 am to
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I can't help but wonder, and yeah I'm about to go there, this is a 21 year old white male from a good family. Why is there so much attention on this young man who was fighting demons and committed suicide, but not nearly enough coverage on the shooting death at the hands of another of a 17 or 18 year old black young man?

It sucks, but it's true. If we as a community spent nearly as much time trying to help seek closure for those families haunted by homicide as we do on the family of a young man who committed suicide, I can damn near guarantee Baton Rouge would not be breaking homicide records



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