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re: Does Trump accept victory with grace?
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:55 pm to buckeye_vol
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:55 pm to buckeye_vol
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I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you made up some illogical number to support your even more illogical belief via a logical fallacy (an appeal to authority)
I think you are either being intentionally obtuse, or you are engaging in the behavior you are projecting on everyone else. You aren't going to be able to convince anyone with a pair of eyes that a protest that began when Obama was president is Trump's fault. You also cannot pin the blame for the player's infantile reaction on Trump. The rest of the country sees this as an activation of latent anti-Americanism by the left.
But if you think the optics of protesting the flag/anthem is good for your side, please by all means continue.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:57 pm to IAmReality
No he makes an Ostensibly innocuous tweet about great that the NFL listened and then everyone loses their fricking mind
so yeah he's going to rub it in by trolling them
so yeah he's going to rub it in by trolling them
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:57 pm to CptBengal
quote:You can't be serious. That photo is clearly from this from this past Sunday, week 3 in the NFL. And I stated in the post your responding to:
fricking liar.
There's six in that one photo.
quote:While few seems to agree with my perspective on this, all of the other posters who responded were clearly able to understand what I wrote, especially since my post was comprised of 2 extremely simple sentences.
There were 5 in week 1 and 6 in week 2.
Yet, not only did you misinterpret the simplest sentence, comprised of 2 simple facts, which someone who is barely literate should be able to understand, you just couldn't have just responded with a simple refutation, indicating it was just a careless mistake. Nope you had just had to add an insult and accuse my of lying.
You call myself and many others idiots everyday, multiple times a day, sometimes over just little comments, largely based on inconsequential opinions. Soconsidering how often you point out so many poster' idiocy, you presumably believe that you are intellectually superior to most, if not all, if the posters here.
But if you can't understand such a basic sentence like the one above, yet lack such self-awareness of this that you'll compound it with an unnecessary insult, I'm beginning to not only think you're not only NOT intellectually superior, you may actually be on the other side of the intellectual spectrum.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:05 pm to chRxis
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i'm glad he's so focused on the real and serious problems at hand for the US...
The destruction of white America is the foremost problem facing America at present. Not surprised that you're clueless to that tho
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:07 pm to ShortyRob
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The fact that the left is so anti-American and anti-White is a serious issue
good thing i'm not on the left then, huh?
be honest, if this wasn't your guy doing this, say it was Obama, would you be so nonchalant and cavalier in regards to this totally insignificant ordeal?
the fact that some on the right can't see how hypocritical they are being with their virtue signaling (i'm not watching the NFL ever again!!) akin to how SJW's do, the same ones that they so despise, is pretty comical....
these protest have nothing to do with wanting to destroy America, or whites, or any other false narrative you'd like to substitute to validate your position...
i don't think their protesting is doing them any good, but it is the biggest platform that many of them will ever have in their lifetime, so they are making the most of their freedom of expression and that platform, and i understand why they are doing it, even if i don't necessarily think it's the greatest idea...
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:08 pm to chRxis
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i don't think their protesting is doing them any good, but it is the biggest platform that many of them will ever have in their lifetime, so they are making the most of their freedom of expression and that platform, and i understand why they are doing it, even if i don't necessarily think it's the greatest idea...
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:11 pm to League Champs
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Not surprised that you're clueless to that tho
why because as a white male in america in 2017, i'm not shaking in my boots and pissing myself out of fear, like y'all?
yeah, white males in america... we're the ones who have it so tough? i can barely muster the strength it takes to face another day... God give me the strength!
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:18 pm to Flavius Belisarius
quote:Well since I'm not making that argument, I don't expect convince anyone of it.
You aren't going to be able to convince anyone with a pair of eyes that a protest that began when Obama was president is Trump's fault.
I'm saying that only a handful of players are protesting. Then Trump--who shouldn't be (as he stated when Obama was president) focusing on sports when he had many other things to focus on that are more important and actually a function of a job that only the person with the job can do--decides to insult the handful of players, and unprofessionally at that with unnecessary profanity. Then because the players are part of an elite "fraternity," and more importantly part of a union which usually leads to a collective mindset, explicitly say that they are going to respond with solitary to the comments. And then that happens? The kneeling and sitting become exponentially greater.
So I'm not saying Trump caused the initial anthem protesting which was social activism. I'm saying that he caused it to increase exponentially in week 3. And while the data should make that obvious in and of itself, the players explicitly stating the reasons for their response, should get rid of any uncertainty.
So it's absolutely illogical to ignore that. Then to disregard Trump's impact on the increase, yet when it invariably decreases back to where it was beforehand, decide Trump now had an impact on this positive results is just a whole new level of absurd, made worse because it's already decided before it's even happened.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:18 pm to League Champs
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The destruction of white America
if you are looking for a "white" country, i'd recommend one of the Nordic ones... they are pretty homogenous over there...
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:21 pm to buckeye_vol
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So I'm not saying Trump caused the initial anthem protesting which was social activism. I'm saying that he caused it to increase exponentially in week 3. And while the data should make that obvious in and of itself, the players explicitly stating the reasons for their response, should get rid of any uncertainty.
why this is so hard for some to understand, i don't know....
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:22 pm to chRxis
quote:i didn't say you were
good thing i'm not on the left then, huh?
quote:anyone that can get the left to repeatedly admit they hate America and white people is gonna be alright in my book
be honest, if this wasn't your guy doing this, say it was Obama, would you be so nonchalant and cavalier in regards to this totally insignificant ordeal
quote:
the fact that some on the right can't see how hypocritical they are being with their virtue signaling (i'm not watching the NFL ever again!!) akin to how SJW's do, the same ones that they so despise, is pretty comical....
Meh. The NFL is barely significant in all this at this point
Thats what's hilarious. Lefties still think their problem in this is the kneeling. ROFLMAO
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:29 pm to buckeye_vol
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Then because the players are part of an elite "fraternity," and more importantly part of a union which usually leads to a collective mindset, explicitly say that they are going to respond with solitary to the comments
You're delusional. They responded that way because they agreed with the kneelers original protest. Blaming Trump is a convenient excuse that no one is buying.
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Then to disregard Trump's impact on the increase, yet when it invariably decreases back to where it was beforehand, decide Trump now had an impact on this positive results is just a whole new level of absurd, made worse because it's already decided before it's even happened.
The kneeling/protests either stops entirely or continues to do grievous damage to the NFL's ratings. If it stops entirely, that is 100% due to Trump calling attention to the issue.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:32 pm to Flavius Belisarius
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continues to do grievous damage to the NFL's ratings
Ie Trump wins again
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If it stops entirely, that is 100% due to Trump calling attention to the issue.
Ie Trump wins again
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:34 pm to ShortyRob
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i didn't say you were
by responding to my post in direct conflict with what i was saying, and leading with "the left", it's pretty much inferred...
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anyone that can get the left to repeatedly admit they hate America and white people is gonna be alright in my book
so, you choose to not actually answer the question... so let me ask again... if Obama, or Clinton, or any of the "leftists", if they were POTUS, and they were concerning themselves with something so incredibly insignificant, while greater issues that actually are significant are failing, have failed, etc, you wouldn't condemn that? i'd would be totally OK in your book? or is it only OK because it's a candidate you personally supported?
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The NFL is barely significant in all this at this point
the National Football League (or NFL) regular season is watched since 2012 by at least 200 million individuals in the United States, accounting for the largest consistent annual nationwide viewership for any television event in U.S. television history (representing almost 70% of the American households, more than 80% of the total U.S. television viewers, and more than 60% of the maintained 2010s U.S. population of 320 million).
don't be "that guy" who is intellectually dishonest to try and defend his position... at least come with substance, Rob....
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Thats what's hilarious
perhaps to you... from the middle, where i'm at, what's funny is seeing the absolute melts coming from the right.... the same shite they ripped the left for doing, they now are... the failure to see how they are doing the exact same thing, in the same manner as those they love to hate is comedy gold...
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:41 pm to Flavius Belisarius
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They responded that way because they agreed with the kneelers original protest
then why not join CK back when he started kneeling? or in any of the subsequent weeks that followed... or even in week 1 or 2 of this season?
you REALLY think it's coincidence that right after Trump said something, now players all of a sudden decided to kneel/sit?
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The kneeling/protests either stops entirely or continues to do grievous damage to the NFL's ratings.
you are GROSSLY overestimating the perceived affect you think this little rabble of boycotters is going to have....
let me know when you have major sponsors pulling money from the NFL... till then, they will continue to print money, with or without you watching...
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If it stops entirely,
it won't...
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:59 pm to chRxis
Like I said you're too clueless to understand what the ultimate goals are for your children and grandchildren are in the prog mindset.
'They need to pay for what was done to the slaves. And we're not just talking reparations. They need a taste of their own medicine'
Statues, reparations, destroying faith in public institutions, wealth redistribution are just the warm up acts
'They need to pay for what was done to the slaves. And we're not just talking reparations. They need a taste of their own medicine'
Statues, reparations, destroying faith in public institutions, wealth redistribution are just the warm up acts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 11:26 pm to League Champs
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Like I said you're too clueless to understand what the ultimate goals are for your children and grandchildren
ok, what are they?.... because my goal for my half-white children is for them to have a college education, to become productive members of society, to positively affect as many as possible in their lifetime through charitable giving and volunteer work, and to leave this world in a better position than when you got here....
i know, what a sick fricking person i am, right?
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They need to pay for what was done to the slaves
no.... what's done is done.... it happened, thankfully the right side won the war, and now we need to press on to make, like the Constitution says, a "more perfect union"
quote:
And we're not just talking reparations. They need a taste of their own medicine'
no seriously, what the frick are you talking about? you think i want a bunch of white people that i don't know to be punished for some shite done by some other white people that i never knew? i don't think you even know what you are trying to argue here, chief...
quote:insignificant, and all the hoopla from both sides was dumb as shite...
Statues
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reparations
already addressed this...
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destroying faith in public institutions
yeah, no...
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wealth redistribution
no... but i would like for the government to be more frugal with our taxes and pay for shite that actually would make our quality of life better as everyday citizens... improved schools, free or vastly more affordable healthcare, etc...
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prog
while not a "prog", i don't find there is anything wrong with PROGRESS, and if we would learn to come back to the middle, rather than running to our safe zones in the far extremes, perhaps we could start to experience that again as a nation...
Posted on 9/29/17 at 12:16 am to ShortyRob
quote:I'm discussing the situation using quantifiable data, pre and post intervention, corroborated by the players comments before the games happened.
Honestly, if you're going to be a contrarian, you need to get much better at actually looking at things from outside the narrative.
And in Saturday and Sunday, before the game, it was pretty much the consensus across views that the players would respond with much more protesting, which is why we had multiple boards completely filled with the topic from Sunday morning onward. Which is also why the networks were interviewing coaches about the protesting before the game, while devoting a significant amount of their coverage to it, with a dramatic increase in the ratings the PREGAME ratings. And finally this is a why, 3 teams made unprecedented decisions to not take the filed until after the anthem to avoid it altogether.
The only thing missing at that time was the pre and post data, but the post data was going to provide an assessment of the damage, but again, the consensus was that the storm was coming.
And frankly, I didn't realize until Tuesday, when someone posted the link to the assessment or this weekend's games (post-data) that ESPN had been tracking it all along. I had just assumed that there were, on average, a few players per team protesting--5 or 6, maybe even a few more, AT each game. Basically, enough protesters to notice if one was aware of them, but not still few enough where it may have gone unnoticed if it wasn't known. And obviously enough, where I wouldn't be surprised that the President has noticed it without news to watch more than one anthem to see a handful of players.
And since I'm not emotionally invested in this protesting, I'm sure those who were believed the protesting was as prevalent, if not more. So the inevitable increase in response to Trump's comments would be easy to argue as an acceptable outcome to address an issue that was prevalent enough that it needed addressed. And the only logical argument I had against that was that it gave them the attention they wanted.
And now as we are obviously preemptively declaring victory, with 5 or 6 players per protesting per game, that increase is even more justifiable if it gets down to 5 or 6 per game. And frankly, if protesting deceased to only 5% of the prevalence pre-comments, well the that would be a huge victory.
Yet now with pre-comment data that shows that it wasn't 5 or 6 players per game protesting, it was only 5 or 6 total. And now an increase in protesting in response to Trump's comments, which was once the consensus across the board and an acceptable view for his supporters, is conveniently the "contrarian" view to those same supporters.
And now, getting the protesting down to 5 or 6 total, which was a clear victory for Trump when they deceased it to a fraction of the protesting before the comments, isn't so much or a victory if we are right back where we started.
I am the only one who is actually presenting quantifiable and objective data pre and post intervention in order to analyze facts empirically without the need to rely on, and exclusively rely on, feelings, assumptions, and biases. Yet, not only hasn't anyone acknowledged the plausibility of my argument or even provided a counter-argument to it instead, all I've gotten in response are insults and accusations that I'm a liar, a contrarian, obtuse, and ignoring the context. And in your post, you call me a contrarian and in the very same sentence tell me I need to look outside the narrative. Those two statements seem contradictory, but I believe I am looking outside the narrative since I haven't seen anybody else in either side actually be the argument on the pre and post data.
So whole those insults are probably appropriate in many other arguments (except liar), it's interesting that they are so prevalent in a discussion when I'm actually presenting facts and the insults aren't coming with facts to refute and really even discussing the facts.
And in a finely note, Isn't it frustrating that the leftists often resort insults and unverifiable arguments without objective facts when confronted with facts against their argument. It seems like they know they can't win with facts so they go for emotion instead. So why are you all responding in the same way as them? Could it be that you're resorting to emotion without the facts to counter?
Posted on 9/29/17 at 12:18 am to buckeye_vol
When does your next epic novel come out?
Posted on 9/29/17 at 12:27 am to DelU249
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When does your next epic novel come out?
No shite. Usually when one has that much to say, they really don't have much to say.
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