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re: First Year Attorney Starting Salary?

Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:17 pm to
Posted by Jim Smith
Member since May 2016
2915 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:17 pm to
I've dealt with Brown Sims's Houston office and found them competent. They were panel counsel, but very competent.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80548 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:18 pm to
I've seen them spend $40,000 defending a case worth $15,000 at maximum. You've gotta be a helluva lawyer to convince your client to stand on principle like that
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80548 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:18 pm to
They're a good firm. I've dealt with some of their Longshore guys and they're all competent, decent people.
Posted by Jim Smith
Member since May 2016
2915 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:18 pm to
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True, but it's my only exposure to it being a PI guy, and I am in no way envious of what some of those dudes have to do.


Yeah, it's a tough way to make a living. Rates aren't very high that's for sure.
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
136936 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:19 pm to
I graduated with one of mr. Edwin's daughters

Super nice girl. In no way your stereotype STMer
Posted by Jim Smith
Member since May 2016
2915 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:19 pm to
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Maybe if you spent less time on TD you could bill for this hour and not have to work Saturday....


Holy shite, maybe you're right. I need to reevaluate my work habits. Thanks for the life changing advice!
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
66519 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:22 pm to
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Preis Roy is now just Preis PLC and they're pretty notorious for being every bad stereotype of civil defense work . Lane Roy was at Brown Sims last I had a case against him.

They have a few good lawyers though.


i have lots and lots of stories about Preis and Kraft
Posted by Jim Smith
Member since May 2016
2915 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:22 pm to
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I've seen them spend $40,000 defending a case worth $15,000 at maximum. You've gotta be a helluva lawyer to convince your client to stand on principle like that


I see it all the time. It drives me crazy. The difficult part is judges just aren't going to dismiss a case without some discovery and it gets expensive. When a dispositive motion is denied, you're $40k in, and end up settling for $15k, it sucks. But, we can't just bend over and open our butt cheeks every time we get a law suit were some liability may be found.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80548 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:23 pm to
It was a shite case, and I'm glad we lost
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79504 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:24 pm to
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And you bill an hour or whatever for preparing for the deposition and then the billable review company hired by your client, the insurance company, comes through and cuts your bill so that your actual hour of prep in only billed at .5 hours

And you have no leverage or recourse because the insurance company can always pull the account and find another firm


Realization rate sucks
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80548 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:24 pm to
Yeah, I can imagine your dad has some stories. Almost seems like a right of passage for practicing in Lafayette
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59479 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:24 pm to
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A firm in Lafayette requires like 2300.



That's ridiculous and serves as an incentive for associates to inflate hours.
Posted by Elleshoe
Wade’s World
Member since Jun 2004
143616 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:26 pm to
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But, we can't just bend over and open our butt cheeks every time we get a law suit were some liability may be found.


sure you can
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
136936 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:26 pm to
Fun fact: I was a runner at that firm 20 years ago
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59479 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:27 pm to
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I turned down a recruiter recently for a big law gig that wanted 1900 minimum billable hours.


Hmm. I don't think that's too bad.
Posted by Jim Smith
Member since May 2016
2915 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:27 pm to
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That's ridiculous and serves as an incentive for associates to inflate hours.


No doubt about it.
Posted by Jim Smith
Member since May 2016
2915 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:29 pm to
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sure you can


Hahahahaha, got to show some resolve.
Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
42645 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:32 pm to
I don't know man, that sounds miserable.

I'm working 50-60 hours a week with my own little solo firm. Granted I'm not making anywhere close to 6 figures right now, but at least I'm working for myself.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 3:33 pm
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
48886 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:35 pm to
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you don't understand. 40 hours per week billable means working ~65 at least


I own a business. 65 hours a week minimum for 35 years. Peanuts.

I will say this. All of my Attorney friends my age complain about the younger attorneys work ethics and have a hard time finding ones wanting to put the hours in. My MD friends have the same complaints.

Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
42645 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:37 pm to
Not everyone enjoys working 60+/week for years.
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