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Bosh Jarro is not a fan of the tax plan

Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:12 am
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:12 am
He wrote two pieces yesterday on it, one specifically about why the "doubled standard deduction" talking point doesn't hold up to scrutiny and another claiming that this will make the plan a liability. I'm not so sure about the second, simply because facts don't seem to pull much weight in the current political environment. But it's worth reading.

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Here's the important fine print: "To simplify the tax rules, the additional standard deduction and the personal exemptions for taxpayer and spouse are consolidated into this larger standard deduction."

Here's how that math works. Let's say you are single with no dependents, and you have a moderate income. Currently, you get to take the standard deduction ($6,350) and one personal exemption ($4,050). If you are 65 or older, you also get to take an additional standard deduction ($1,250). That adds up to $10,400, or $11,650 if you're over 65.

The Republican plan would replace all these provisions with a single deduction of $12,000 ($24,000 for married couples.) That's only a 15% increase — except for seniors, who get a 3% increase.

And then your first dollar of taxable income would be subjected to a 12% tax rate, instead of the current 10%.
But don't worry — the framework says "additional tax relief," as yet unspecified, will emerge for you during the committee process.
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But while there is a lot we don't know, we can identify a group of taxpayers likely to face tax increases from this proposal: people with moderate to upper-moderate incomes who take itemized deductions, like those for mortgage interest and state and local taxes paid.

Some of these deductions would be eliminated. And while Republicans like to misleadingly claim that their plan would "double the standard deduction," these itemizing taxpayers would lose the ability to take the personal exemption for themselves or their spouses, subjecting an additional $8,100 of their income to tax.

While these taxpayers would lose key tax benefits, rich taxpayers would come out ahead.

The rich would benefit from a new preferential rate for business income — while high-income workers could pay tax at rates as high as 35%, business owners would have tax on their profits capped at 25%.

Wealthy people, who own the lion's share of stocks, would also benefit from a reduction in corporate income tax rates.

And the estate tax would be abolished altogether.

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Bush knew that the way to sell a tax cut was to convincingly say that nobody would lose and everybody who paid income taxes would win. Today's Republicans have not only forgotten that — they've decided to take tax benefits away from middle-income people to give them to the rich.

As the details of this plan become known, and as the political response builds from people who fear their taxes will be raised, and as they build a coalition with special interests who would lose out from other aspects of the proposal (like investors who do not like the proposed limitation on the deduction of business-interest expenses), this plan will become an enormous liability.
I rent and live in a state with no income tax, so I'm not too upset with all this. Interested to hear from folks who do take both deductions, though.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 9:14 am
Posted by Bunyan
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Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:13 am to
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Bosh Jarro

Who?
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:15 am to
Anything other than a flat tax will make me angry...so...
Posted by cokebottleag
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:16 am to
As much as I don't like that I won't be able to claim my property tax on my federal income taxes, this strikes me as sensible. I will however appreciate the increase in child tax credit.

Effectively the states with low taxes are subsidizing the federal taxes of California, New York, etc. this evens the playing field and makes the low tax states have an even greater advantage.
Posted by gamatt53
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:18 am to
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likely to face tax increases from this proposal: people with moderate to upper-moderate incomes who take itemized deductions, like those for mortgage interest and state and local taxes paid.


Trump gonna frick his base? I'll be pissed if this is true
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 9:20 am
Posted by 50_Tiger
Dallas TX
Member since Jan 2016
40339 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:18 am to
Geeez this screams frick single bread winners.

Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35252 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:24 am to
From Josh Barro's Wiki page.

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Earlier in his career, Barro described himself as Republican, although wrote about his criticism of many of its policies. He also identified as a neoliberal.
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Iosh
Maybe CptBengal is right you're neo-liberal filth, although maybe that's different than neoliberal.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:27 am to
Bosh jarring does not know anything about negotiation
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:30 am to
You oughta read Salman Jenkins' rebuttal, it's riveting
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:31 am to
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we can identify a group of taxpayers likely to face tax increases from this proposal: people with moderate to upper-moderate incomes who take itemized deductions
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The rich would benefit from a new preferential rate for business income

Wonder which of these effects would be larger- if the reduction of federal taxes on pass-thru income is, it could be a windfall for states who have a deduction on state taxes for federal taxes paid.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:37 am to
I'm curious to see what the excuses will be when the GOP fumbles this as well.

Posted by cokebottleag
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Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:39 am to
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Wealthy people, who own the lion's share of stocks,



Is there any evidence of this? Because I'm pretty sure this in completely wrong.

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The rich would benefit from a new preferential rate for business income — while high-income workers could pay tax at rates as high as 35%, business owners would have tax on their profits capped at 25%.


From what I read, this would apply to people who claim business income as personal income, basically moms selling crafts out of their garage. Seems a good thing to me for the middle class.

No one making millions on a real business is actually marking their business profit as personal income.

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And the estate tax would be abolished altogether.



This is such a fricking stupid tax for the GOP to champion. All their major donors are already using living trusts to get around this. The only people that get screwed are people who are too dumb or short sighted to use the existing loopholes. But the GOP paints a big target on their back to entice democrats.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35252 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:48 am to
On a actual serious note about this tax plan.

Isn't one of the main goals to simplify the tax code, which is one if the reasons they are proposing fewer brackets? Maybe I'm alone in this, but given all of the complexities of the tax code, the brackets themsleves are pretty simple so going from 7 to 3 only makes a simple thing a little bit simpler.
Posted by baseballcatch77
Dallas
Member since Oct 2013
748 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:49 am to
But what does Trad Zcholtsky think of the plan?
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:27 am to
Drudge not a fan either:

Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:32 am to
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Bosh Jarro is not a fan of the tax plan


No idea who this is, but from what i've been hearing, the tax plan is a shite show. I'm actually kind of worried that Democrats would support it, because it effectively raises taxes on the middle class.

If the Dems obstruct because "Trump" then it won't have a shot at passing because Senators like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz would never allow it to pass.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:50 am to
They couldn't even repeal Obamacare.
Taxes ought to be a real hoot.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124671 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:56 am to
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they've decided to take tax benefits away from middle-income people to give them to the rich.
Based on his own summary, that is a patently stupid statement.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18157 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 11:24 am to
This new proposal is not what I want for the endgame but it is an improvement for me. $24k/yr deduction is quite a bit more than I deduct right now and I itemize. The most I can ever seem to get deducted is around $13k/yr.

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