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re: Study: Same-Sex Parenting Harms Children

Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:11 am to
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:11 am to
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That makes no sense.


I was mocking you

Posted by wfallstiger
Wichita Falls, Texas
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Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:11 am to
'may be letting ideology...'

There is no 'may' about it
Posted by rbWarEagle
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Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:17 am to
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conducted by sociology professor D. Paul Sullins of the Catholic University


I love the upvote/downvote ratio for this.
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Member since May 2007
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Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:18 am to
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that's why 20 is probably an adequate sample size.


If the people that did the study admit that it's probably not an adequate sample size, why are you trying to argue differently?
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:22 am to
It should be obvious that same-sex parents can't offer what the "traditional" male/female unit can. Men and women are different and offer different things that children learn from.

That being said, if the study is based on 20 couples, 17 of which are lesbians, I think it's a very small sample size and not able to provide sufficient data to make any conclusions. The data supports common sense but it needs to be expanded to be more relevant.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:22 am to
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that's why 20 is probably an adequate sample size
No it's not. While the population size a sample is drawn from, can have an impact on various distributions, that's not really relevant once the population size is more than a few thousand.

But regardless, the analyses using the properties of probability distributions rely on asymptotic theorems (central limit theorem, law of large numbers).

In other words, all of your analysis resulted in an incorrect conclusion.
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:23 am to
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D. Paul Sullins of the Catholic University of America
lol
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20 same-sex couples
just
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(1995 to 2008)
lol
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:25 am to
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If the people that did the study admit that it's probably not an adequate sample size, why are you trying to argue differently?
Because he doesn't understand, or has chosen to ignore, the basic, widely known principles of probability and statistics.

Although since he didn't add his patented Al Pacino gif, maybe ted doesn't really believe a sample size of 20 is adequate.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:33 am to
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I love the upvote/downvote ratio for this.
I normally dislike "shooting the messenger," especially if the study seems sound. It's always important to consider potential biases and conflicts of the researcher, but usually those aren't too exteme, and the study itself is what is most important.

But given the glaring flaws of the study, and given that he is a priest, this is closer to Wakefield/Autism study, albeit his worldview is the issue rather than straight up lying in Wakefield's case.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:35 am to
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That's multiple studies and universally accepted.
I can tell you point blank it is not ""universally accepted"", but as you say there are multiple studies, please cite one.
Posted by rbWarEagle
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:36 am to
Trust me, the first thing I flip to is the methods section when reviewing articles but this thing would have been torn to shreds on the first page if it had been a sociology professor finding anything that aligns with a liberal worldview.

I'll leave the CLT talk to you on this one
This post was edited on 9/1/17 at 9:38 am
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
43150 posts
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:40 am to
in other breaking developments - water is wet.

No sane person can possibly think that it is good for children to be raised in an atmosphere at odds with nature itself.

I have always maintained that a child is better off in a well-run institution than in the 'home' of same-sex couples.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:41 am to
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It's just bizarre that gay men would be a trend with obesity.
Not sure of the reference, so can't address directly. Obesity is often cortisol related. Depression, anxiety, stress, sleeplessness are contributors.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
43150 posts
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:44 am to
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There are some fricked up hetero households out there as well..

of course - but percentage wise, I would wager there is a higher percentage of 'fracked up' households amongst the same-sex community.

Putting a child in an anti-evolutionary-science environment should never be hailed as a good thing. It is amongst the worst things that can happen to a child.
Posted by tiderider
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:45 am to
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I think the point is that children who grow up in traditional, stable families have the best chances at success..


ding ding ding.....we have a winner...doesn't matter who did the study...its not natural to have two daddies that frick each other in the arse raising a little girl....degeneracy promotes degeneracy



you're probably exhibit A for that claim ...
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35252 posts
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:46 am to
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No sane person can possibly think that it is good for children to be raised in an atmosphere at odds with nature itself.
Well call me insane, but I think any atmosphere that his 2 loving and caring parents who provide for the needs of the children is superior to any dysfunctional atmosphere.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:46 am to
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The study, conducted by sociology professor D. Paul Sullins of the Catholic University of America



Hard to believe they'd be an unbiased source of information.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35252 posts
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:49 am to
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Putting a child in an anti-evolutionary-science environment should never be hailed as a good thing. It is amongst the worst things that can happen to a child.
Amongst the worst? As in amongst abusive environments, exteme poverty environments, neglectful environments, etc.? I would wager back at you that those are far more harmful than any parental structure of a a family.
Posted by Dale51
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Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:51 am to
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I was mocking you



Didn't work.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:55 am to
You're confused.
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