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Posted on 8/30/17 at 7:08 am to Lester Earl
quote:Dude yes he is according to you . Please go tell me what percentile a 5.28 forty yard dash is
Tom Brady isn't a terrible athlete by QB standards. What a dumb fricking comparison
Brady had the 2nd slowest 40, the worst vertical, the 5th worst broad jump, and 4th worst shuttle his combine year alone
ETA: Just looked it up
Brady was in these percentiles for qbs
0.8%. For forty time
2.0% For vertical
3.2% for broad
You want to quit this thread now Lester?
This post was edited on 8/30/17 at 7:27 am
Posted on 8/30/17 at 7:48 am to lsupride87
quote:
rady had the 2nd slowest 40, the worst vertical, the 5th worst broad jump, and 4th worst shuttle his combine year alone
Yea, in his year alone. Landry is 9th percentile over data complied from every WR since 1999.
Brady is much more likely to be middle of the pack if you factored in data over a 18 year sample size.
Even with that said, we are talking about a QB & not a WR, who doesn't exactly need the athleticism to play his position like a WR does.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 7:51 am to Lester Earl
quote:Do you enjoy being wrong?
Yea, in his year alone. Landry is 9th percentile over data complied from every WR since 1999.
Brady is much more likely to be middle of the pack if you factored in data over a 18 year sample size.
Brady was horrific at the combine
Here are his 18 year percentiles
Brady was in these percentiles for qbs
0.8%. For forty time
2.0% For vertical
3.2% for broad
You want to quit this thread now Lester?
This post was edited on 8/30 at 7:27 am
Posted on 8/30/17 at 7:52 am to lsufball19
quote:
by how well they play sports.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 7:55 am to Lester Earl
You are completely ignoring body control, balance, coordination, hand eye in your little definition of athleticism
Posted on 8/30/17 at 7:55 am to lsupride87
Tom Brady has a better 3 cone than Jarvis Landry 
7.20 vs 7.56
7.20 vs 7.56
Posted on 8/30/17 at 7:56 am to Lester Earl
Nice goal post move
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:08 am to lsupride87
In every post I've made about athleticism I've included 3cone yet when you try and rag Brady you conveniently leave that out and I'm moving the goal posts ?
Brady moves really good in tight spaces which is obviously a great trait for a QB to have. 3 cone has proven to be one of the better measures recoded at the combine.
and I'm moving the goal posts ? Brady moves really good in tight spaces which is obviously a great trait for a QB to have. 3 cone has proven to be one of the better measures recoded at the combine.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:12 am to Wild Thang
quote:Because of that looooong list of #1s that average 10ypc, is that why we look like idiots?
Lester and Shell, per usual, look like idiots in this thread
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:14 am to lsupride87
quote:In fairness, you didn't do so well in this same thread on the Tannehill talk.
Do you enjoy being wrong?
You kinda ran from it when you asked for data, and I gave it to you.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:26 am to shel311
quote:How was I proven wrong about tannehil?
In fairness, you didn't do so well in this same thread on the Tannehill talk.
You kinda ran from it when you asked for data, and I gave it to you.
You posted one guys research. I disagree with him. His research was good in terms of the time he took and tape he broke down, but I am not sure why you think he is the end all be all?Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:30 am to shel311
quote:Find me that loooooooong list of good qbs that average 7.0 Yards per attempt
Because of that looooong list of #1s that average 10ypc,
Ill wait
I am not sure why you get to decide what stats matter, and which ones dont
Is it the smugness?Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:32 am to lsupride87
quote:Where did I say that?
How was I proven wrong about tannehil?
I said you asked for data contrary to your below average take. I gave it to you. You ignored it. I reminded you. You replied that you didn't agree with it. What part of that is wrong?
quote:Which is funny since you're basically saying you've really broken down film on Tannehill. Honest question, how many actual entire Dolphins games did you watch last season?
I disagree with him
quote:I don't, but you'd agree he has more access and done more study on the topic than both of us, right? Some of the data he threw out is stuff you and I could never possibly know as we don't have the access. And you don't agree with it, but never gave a reason, so I can only assume you don't agree with it because it doesn't fit your narrative. Without telling me why you disagree, that's totally fair on my part, right?
but I am not sure why you think he is the end all be all?
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:33 am to lsupride87
quote:But you have no issues ranking other QBs with similar Y/A ahead of him? Why?
Find me that loooooooong list of good qbs that average 7.0 Yards per attempt
Ill wait
quote:You always say this, honest question, do you really lack the self awareness to know that your board persona in terms of smugness/know it all is on par with mine? You have to realize that.
Is it the smugness?
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:34 am to shel311
quote:Shel, what I am telling you is, finding someone that breaks down film and comes up with a conclusion is not going to sway my opinion over rating, yards per game, completion percentage, touchdowns, td/int ratio.
I don't, but you'd agree he has more access and done more study on the topic than both of us, right? Some of the data he threw out is stuff you and I could never possibly know as we don't have the access. And you don't agree with it, but never gave a reason, so I can only assume you don't agree with it because it doesn't fit your narrative. Without telling me why you disagree, that's totally fair on my part, right?
That is what I am saying.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:36 am to lsupride87
quote:Is that a joke?
Shel, what I am telling you is, finding someone that breaks down film and comes up with a conclusion is not going to sway my opinion over rating, yards per game, completion percentage, touchdowns, td/int ratio.
So you're insinuating you don't even watch all the games/snaps for Tannehill, and can just look at stats and know better than this guy or anyone who studies more than both of us? And I'm the smug one.
That tells me you didn't actually read that article that you claimed to have read. Especially when you bring up TD:INT ratio and he specifically talks about the deal with INTs, but you just ignore that...why?
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:37 am to shel311
quote:No. You seem to think you get to pick what stats matter.
You always say this, honest question, do you really lack the self awareness to know that your board persona in terms of smugness/know it all is on par with mine? You have to realize that.
Landry has a lower yards per catch, but does well in other stats. Yet since you like yards per catch, that is the only stat now that holds weight.
Since you like that guys research, that is the only thing that holds weight.
Also, yards per catch is not saying what you think it is. Yards per carry is used for running backs because to get the ball, they simply take it from the qb. Trying to diminish the total yards receiving in a game by saying he has a low Yards per catch is illogical. For a receiver to make a catch he himself has to first get open, and then actually catch the ball.
Using total yards per game makes more sense for receivers, while yards per carry makes more sense for running backs.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:42 am to lsupride87
quote:Says the guy who literally just said he can use completion %, TD:INT ratio to make a determination while ignoring other metrics. Did you not just do that, how are you going to deny that?
No. You seem to think you get to pick what stats matter.
quote:Well yea, because he's a good, possession WR. Makes sense.
Landry has a lower yards per catch, but does well in other stats.
quote:Well, I'll make it simple, show me all the legit #1s that average 10ypc over a 3 year span, and I'll concede the argument to you. Easy, now prove me wrong.
Yet since you like yards per catch, that is the only stat now that holds weight
quote:Landry is really good at that, for short catches. He does not stretch the field.
For a receiver to make a catch he himself has to first get open, and then actually catch the ball.
quote:Like I said, I made it easy for me. You just show me all the guys who are legit #1s averaging 10ypc for their careers, and you got this one in the bag, easily.
Using total yards per game makes more sense for receivers
Posted on 8/30/17 at 8:44 am to lsupride87
nvm
This post was edited on 8/30/17 at 8:46 am
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