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re: True or False...the civil war was fought over slavery.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:50 pm to sicboy
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:50 pm to sicboy
quote:lol frick i was optimistic in the first paragraph
I posted a snippet of this yesterday, from the Cornerstone speech:
then started the second paragraph and thought 'there it is'
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:50 pm to CptBengal
Don't open up this can of worms.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:50 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:i picked a hell of a day to quit drinking
: rolleyes :
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:50 pm to mmcgrath
How much longer would slavery have lasted if there were no war? It wasnt exactly a new thing
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:51 pm to Machine
quote:
So you mean the situation is complex?
nah man
civil wars are never complex
hence again why you and the idiot left brigade crying about a statue of a man is hilarious.
but keep thinking you're making some point.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:51 pm to CptBengal
False, but only by constraints of your question. It was more than that, but it was one of the reasons.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:51 pm to CptBengal
I always shake my head when I hear ignorant people say "the civil war was fought because the south wanted to keep slaves and the north wanted to free them. Makes me wonder what schools actually teach these days.
The correct answer is that it's a component, but not the exclusive reason. I feel like in an effort to sow harmony, a lot of lower level American history classes gloss over the civil war.
Our classes in high school and even college focused more on the initial battle and reconstruction.
The correct answer is that it's a component, but not the exclusive reason. I feel like in an effort to sow harmony, a lot of lower level American history classes gloss over the civil war.
Our classes in high school and even college focused more on the initial battle and reconstruction.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:51 pm to CptBengal
Much too complicated to answer true or false. It was fought over animosity the south had for the north. Slavery was certainly the biggest single issue. But as said, slavery was an economics issue, so it's accurate to say it was over economics.
There were other very serious issues. The South had long taken a serious stance against the overreaching federal government. It's no small thing that the South formed a Confederacy. Most liberals couldn't define what a confederacy really is.
There were other very serious issues. The South had long taken a serious stance against the overreaching federal government. It's no small thing that the South formed a Confederacy. Most liberals couldn't define what a confederacy really is.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:51 pm to CptBengal
False, the civil war was actually fought over a state's right to self govern without Federal demands that were not covered in the constitution.
Slavery was a rallying cause to gain support from the northern population, that really didn't care if the South seceded from the Union enough to start a war over.
Slavery was a rallying cause to gain support from the northern population, that really didn't care if the South seceded from the Union enough to start a war over.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:53 pm to CptBengal
False. It was states rights.
I hate it when liberals try to say it was slavery because slavery wasn't an issue until Lincoln made it an issue to get support from the north who was close to giving what South what they wanted.
I hate it when liberals try to say it was slavery because slavery wasn't an issue until Lincoln made it an issue to get support from the north who was close to giving what South what they wanted.
This post was edited on 8/17/17 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:53 pm to CptBengal
Not entirely but only a fool, or someone being intellectually dishonest, would claim that slavery was not a reason. It was likely the biggest single reason though people like to whitewash it with "states rights"
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:53 pm to CptBengal
quote:i'm crying about the statues? interesting spin
hence again why you and the idiot left brigade crying about a statue of a man is hilarious.
i thought it was people that don't live in the cities where officials voted in office by residents of said city, controlled what type of monuments are and are not on display on public lands, and are complaining about it, who were crying.
maybe you mistook my laughing at how much some people care about the history of a loser movement 150 years ago as whining?
This post was edited on 8/17/17 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:56 pm to CptBengal
more broadly, economics
we've covered this topic 18 times.
anti-slavery was an issue in the northeast and it helped with recruiting.
the proclamation came years after the war started and was partial.
FYI, UNION is the solution to nearly everything you think of as a problem
we've covered this topic 18 times.
anti-slavery was an issue in the northeast and it helped with recruiting.
the proclamation came years after the war started and was partial.
FYI, UNION is the solution to nearly everything you think of as a problem
This post was edited on 8/17/17 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 8/17/17 at 1:02 pm to CptBengal
False States' Rights
[quote]What percentage of the southern population owned slaves in 1860? At the peak of black slavery in the South, only 6 percent of Southern whites owned slaves. If you include the white people in the North, it means that only 1.4 percent of white Americans owned black slaves at the HEIGHT of slavery. An estimated 3,000 blacks owned a total of 20,000 black slaves in the year 1860. Hey Kids... It's Time For Some Dumb Myths And Smart Facts About ...
LINK ]
I just refuse to believe that 94% of the population would fight for the other 6% to keep and maintain their wealth
[quote]What percentage of the southern population owned slaves in 1860? At the peak of black slavery in the South, only 6 percent of Southern whites owned slaves. If you include the white people in the North, it means that only 1.4 percent of white Americans owned black slaves at the HEIGHT of slavery. An estimated 3,000 blacks owned a total of 20,000 black slaves in the year 1860. Hey Kids... It's Time For Some Dumb Myths And Smart Facts About ...
LINK ]
I just refuse to believe that 94% of the population would fight for the other 6% to keep and maintain their wealth
Posted on 8/17/17 at 1:02 pm to WHS
quote:
o say it was slavery because slaver wasn't an issue until Lincoln made it an issue to get support from the north who was close to giving what South what they wanted.
Uh...,..
Posted on 8/17/17 at 1:08 pm to Machine
quote:
lol frick i was optimistic in the first paragraph
then started the second paragraph and thought 'there it is'
This in the first paragraph spells it out pretty nicely:
quote:
The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the “rock upon which the old Union would split.” He was right.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 1:09 pm to CptBengal
false, was about State rights with slavery being but one element
Posted on 8/17/17 at 1:11 pm to CptBengal
True. From President Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address:
"One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it."
"One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it."
This post was edited on 8/17/17 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 8/17/17 at 1:12 pm to CptBengal
True. It's couched in terms of state's rights etc. but it's really about slavery and how the South was heavily reliant on slave labor for their economy.
Also the growing fear that when free states outnumbered slave states that slavery would be eventually abolished.
Can got kicked down the road several times... Missouri compromise, compromise of 1850, etc.
So the rich plantation owners with political power in the South saw the writing on the wall and attempted to secede.
It's not all about slavery, but slavery was the main overriding issue, more specifically the continuation of slavery.
Also the growing fear that when free states outnumbered slave states that slavery would be eventually abolished.
Can got kicked down the road several times... Missouri compromise, compromise of 1850, etc.
So the rich plantation owners with political power in the South saw the writing on the wall and attempted to secede.
It's not all about slavery, but slavery was the main overriding issue, more specifically the continuation of slavery.
This post was edited on 8/17/17 at 1:13 pm
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