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General Wesley Clark: The US will attack 7 countries in 5 years
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:45 pm
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:45 pm
Pretty much what I have been saying.
The Policy Coup
NeoCons seize control of our foreign policy.
General Wesley Clark explains ISIS was created by U.S. Allies
The Policy Coup
NeoCons seize control of our foreign policy.
General Wesley Clark explains ISIS was created by U.S. Allies
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:46 pm to hsfolk
quote:
liberal cuck
Thanks for bumping the thread.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:47 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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Pretty much what I have been saying.
Made I easier to not click the link.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:51 pm to hsfolk
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General Wesley Clark
An underwhelming 4-star if ever there was one......
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:53 pm to the808bass
Who won the war in Iraq? (Here’s a big hint: It wasn’t the United States)
Tune into your favorite right-wing blog, and there is lots of mumbo-jumbo about the surge and sacrifices and all that false patriotism stuff that no longer even makes for a good country and western song.
On firmer ground, it is less clear that the United States or Iraq won anything.
The United States lost 4474 soldiers (and counting), with thousands more crippled or wounded, spent a couple of trillion dollars that helped wreck our economy at home, and did not get much in return. Blood for oil? Only in the sense that one of out of every eight U.S. casualties in Iraq died guarding a fuel convoy. Iraqi oil output is stuck at pre-war levels and will be for some time. A drop in world oil prices would wreck the Iraqi economy. Despite Panetta's patter about Iraq being a country willing to work with the United States, Iraq as a political entity follows its own path, virtually allied with Iran and unsupportive of American geopolitical dreams. The U.S. government will sell some military gear to the Iraqis and make some money, but in the end George Bush went to war and all we got was a low-rent dictatorship turned into a low-rent semi-police state. As this is written, it is even unclear if the United States will snag any permanent bases in Iraq, and whether any troops will be allowed to stay on past the end of this December.
As for Iraq being any sort of winner after being stomped on by the U.S. military, no. Iraq had its civil society shredded, underwent eight years of sectarian civil war, saw over 100,000 killed and is home now to a small but bustling al Qaeda franchise. The United States left without brokering a deal between the Kurds and the Arab Iraqis, leaving that kettle on full boil. The United States also failed to establish stable borders for the Kurds, such that the Iranians shell "Kurdistan" from the east, while Turkish jets drop bombs in the west. Turkey is part of NATO -- imagine the U.S. government sitting silently if Germany bombed Poland next week.
What many people do not know is that one reason for the drop in sectarian violence in 2008 was that both sides had done much of the killing they needed to do. The fighting then was a civil war, Shia versus Sunni, and the death toll was high enough on both sides to achieve the level of segregation and redistribution of power desired at that time-they ran out of reasons for the war to continue at that level of intensity. Ominously, however, the Sunnis and Shias did not fully settle the score and so that pot sits bubbling on the stove as well.
Sectarian tensions do still run high in Iraq, and the United States has been left powerless to do anything about it. Except for some technical assistance and perhaps some very low-key special operations help, the U.S. government has taken a sideline seat to the sectarian violence over the last few months, leaving the fight to the Iraqis. Whether zero or 3,000 or 10,000 U.S. troops stay on in Iraq, it is unlikely that such a smaller U.S. force will intervene, given that a larger one declined to do so.
The tinderbox nature of things is such that the Iraqi government is seeking to ban a television drama about events leading up to the historic split in Islam into Sunni and Shiite sects hundreds of years ago. The Iraqi parliament asked that the Communication and Media Commission, a media regulator, ban "Al Hassan and Al Hussein" on the grounds it incites sectarian tensions and misrepresents historical facts. "This TV serial includes sensitive issues in Islamic history. Presenting them in a TV series leads to agitated strife," said Ali Al Alaq, a politician who heads the religious affairs committee.
Needless to say, a glance at the daily news from Iraq will reveal the ongoing steady low hum of suicide bombings and targeted killings that is now all too much a normal part of life. The occasional spectacular attacks (instantly blamed on al Qaeda by the United States) make headlines, but every Iraqi knows it is the regular nature of these killings as much as the death toll itself that is most disruptive to society. Iraq is hardly a winner.
Who won the war? Iran.
LINK
Tune into your favorite right-wing blog, and there is lots of mumbo-jumbo about the surge and sacrifices and all that false patriotism stuff that no longer even makes for a good country and western song.
On firmer ground, it is less clear that the United States or Iraq won anything.
The United States lost 4474 soldiers (and counting), with thousands more crippled or wounded, spent a couple of trillion dollars that helped wreck our economy at home, and did not get much in return. Blood for oil? Only in the sense that one of out of every eight U.S. casualties in Iraq died guarding a fuel convoy. Iraqi oil output is stuck at pre-war levels and will be for some time. A drop in world oil prices would wreck the Iraqi economy. Despite Panetta's patter about Iraq being a country willing to work with the United States, Iraq as a political entity follows its own path, virtually allied with Iran and unsupportive of American geopolitical dreams. The U.S. government will sell some military gear to the Iraqis and make some money, but in the end George Bush went to war and all we got was a low-rent dictatorship turned into a low-rent semi-police state. As this is written, it is even unclear if the United States will snag any permanent bases in Iraq, and whether any troops will be allowed to stay on past the end of this December.
As for Iraq being any sort of winner after being stomped on by the U.S. military, no. Iraq had its civil society shredded, underwent eight years of sectarian civil war, saw over 100,000 killed and is home now to a small but bustling al Qaeda franchise. The United States left without brokering a deal between the Kurds and the Arab Iraqis, leaving that kettle on full boil. The United States also failed to establish stable borders for the Kurds, such that the Iranians shell "Kurdistan" from the east, while Turkish jets drop bombs in the west. Turkey is part of NATO -- imagine the U.S. government sitting silently if Germany bombed Poland next week.
What many people do not know is that one reason for the drop in sectarian violence in 2008 was that both sides had done much of the killing they needed to do. The fighting then was a civil war, Shia versus Sunni, and the death toll was high enough on both sides to achieve the level of segregation and redistribution of power desired at that time-they ran out of reasons for the war to continue at that level of intensity. Ominously, however, the Sunnis and Shias did not fully settle the score and so that pot sits bubbling on the stove as well.
Sectarian tensions do still run high in Iraq, and the United States has been left powerless to do anything about it. Except for some technical assistance and perhaps some very low-key special operations help, the U.S. government has taken a sideline seat to the sectarian violence over the last few months, leaving the fight to the Iraqis. Whether zero or 3,000 or 10,000 U.S. troops stay on in Iraq, it is unlikely that such a smaller U.S. force will intervene, given that a larger one declined to do so.
The tinderbox nature of things is such that the Iraqi government is seeking to ban a television drama about events leading up to the historic split in Islam into Sunni and Shiite sects hundreds of years ago. The Iraqi parliament asked that the Communication and Media Commission, a media regulator, ban "Al Hassan and Al Hussein" on the grounds it incites sectarian tensions and misrepresents historical facts. "This TV serial includes sensitive issues in Islamic history. Presenting them in a TV series leads to agitated strife," said Ali Al Alaq, a politician who heads the religious affairs committee.
Needless to say, a glance at the daily news from Iraq will reveal the ongoing steady low hum of suicide bombings and targeted killings that is now all too much a normal part of life. The occasional spectacular attacks (instantly blamed on al Qaeda by the United States) make headlines, but every Iraqi knows it is the regular nature of these killings as much as the death toll itself that is most disruptive to society. Iraq is hardly a winner.
Who won the war? Iran.
LINK
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:19 pm to WhiskeyPapa
WP, if you don't like the Marine Corps, just do your 20 years and then retire.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:20 pm to WhiskeyPapa
quote:has less credibility than Hildabeast.
General Wesley Clark
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:33 pm to airfernando
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General Wesley Clark has less credibility than Hildabeast.
Yeah, really a nobody. He commanded NATO.
"Wesley Kanne Clark, Sr. (born December 23, 1944) is a retired General of the United States Army. He graduated as valedictorian of the class of 1966 at West Point and was awarded a Rhodes Scholarship to the University of Oxford, where he obtained a degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics. He later graduated from the Command and General Staff College with a master's degree in military science. He spent 34 years in the U.S. Army, receiving many military decorations, several honorary knighthoods, and the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
Clark commanded Operation Allied Force in the Kosovo War during his term as the Supreme Allied Commander Europe of NATO from 1997 to 2000."
-wiki
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:48 pm to WhiskeyPapa
What kind of combat record does he have?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:48 am to SECSolomonGrundy
What does that matter?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:47 am to WhiskeyPapa
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Yeah, really a nobody. He commanded NATO.
Yep, and almost started a conflict with Russia, clashed with other allied commanders, and was asked to step down early as a result.
Wesley Clark: Another example of the Peter Principle.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 3:47 am to WhiskeyPapa
How long did it take trump to bomb 4 countries? Is he a neocon too?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 4:05 am to Champagne
quote:He is long since retired. As a captain. Maybe a major. Now he is just an old kook sitting around his home, embittered by what could have been.
WP, if you don't like the Marine Corps, just do your 20 years and then retire.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 5:33 am to Wolfhound45
When you side with Wesley Clark to support a position, you're already losing.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 8:02 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 5:55 am to WhiskeyPapa
oh man, we lost 5k patriots over 15 years in an all volunteer force. the horror! meanwhile we lose 20k+ every year to drunk driving.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 5:58 am to OTIS2
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When you side with Wesley Clark to support a position, your already losing.
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 6:09 am to WhiskeyPapa
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General Wesley Clark explains ISIS was created by U.S. Allies
He is right
Posted on 7/25/17 at 6:37 am to Pechon
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Yeah, really a nobody. He commanded NATO.
Yep, and almost started a conflict with Russia, clashed with other allied commanders, and was asked to step down early as a result.
Why does an honest interpretation of events seem to scare you?
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