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re: When did STEM become STEAM?

Posted on 7/18/17 at 9:29 am to
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 9:29 am to
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I was in a meeting where they mentioned this change and if you're in a Catholic school it's now STREAM- adding religion In as well.


Same tactic that "evolved" LGBT into LGBTQRSTUV.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
23387 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 9:40 am to
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till think the arts aren't important?


Nice straw man.

No one said they aren't important. They just have nothing to do with the focus on hard sciences that the stem initiative is intending strengthen.

Your product development argument is asinine.
Posted by piggilicious
Member since Jan 2011
37301 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 9:47 am to
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straw man.


So overdone now even the idiots are using it.


Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
21397 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 9:59 am to
They did that in my town in Texas. They started building a STEM High School, now it is a STEAM High School.

Probably a bunch of butt-hurt parents mad their dumb kid would not get to go to the new pretty school.

Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160123 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:11 am to
If you focus on STEM education, there's already a place for the liberal arts. You just teach children to apply problem solving techniques to things like ELA and social studies. Adding the "A" for art is pretty much a pandering move.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:43 am to
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I don't see the problem. Design is needed for things to be functional


Give me a break. Stop making excuses.

Also the issue with STEM was also to encourage people to not stigmitize it as nerdy and to increase diversity. Many different demographic groups were just writing off those field based off of perception.

So adding the Arts into it is about as dumb as it can be. It also isn't related to the other fields.

This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 10:52 am
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
135222 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:46 am to
Seems perfectly in line with socialist dogma.

Dilute the most important or most powerful institutions in order to bring them down to the level of those that aren't as capable or as important.
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29454 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:48 am to
What does a field like audio/video recording/mixing or nonlinear video editing fall under?

What about color psychology or technical writing?
Posted by Displaced
Member since Dec 2011
32738 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:50 am to
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What does a field like audio/video recording/mixing or nonlinear video editing fall under?
technology
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color psychology
dafuq?
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or technical writing?
general course that every major should require.
Posted by flyAU
Scottsdale
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:52 am to
She is a fan of online gaming.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:54 am to
Stem should just be "te"

I've never heard of a science or math factory
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67302 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:57 am to
Because learning art helps at learning math and science. Creative pursuits aid in understanding abstract concepts. Learning music has been proven time and time again to improve math skills. Learning art should be a part of a STEM education, but not the goal of a STEM education.
Posted by mofungoo
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2012
4583 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:58 am to
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Computer programs need UI artists

Rembrandt would have been a piss poor programmer.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
23387 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:59 am to
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So overdone now even the idiots are using it.


Well it was a text book case.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
43183 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:24 am to
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What does a field like audio/video recording/mixing or nonlinear video editing fall under?

What about color psychology or technical writing?

Any significant elements will be covered in the STEM curriculum.

You just want the finger-painting with elephant dung majors to say they are part of STEM - or something that sounds like it - or bring STEM down to their level.

This is all bullshite.
Posted by piggilicious
Member since Jan 2011
37301 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:31 am to
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The objectives of the STEAM movement are to:

transform research policy to place Art + Design at the center of STEM

encourage integration of Art + Design in K–20 education

influence employers to hire artists and designers to drive innovation


None of that refers to folks 'finger-painting with elephant dung' as it falls within what dbeck was referring to- the mix of tech and art.
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:43 am to
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Stem should just be "te"

I've never heard of a science or math factory



This is one of the reasons I went back to school for a second degree.

However, the sciences and math are very important, its just that they usually require higher level training (ie Masters, PhD) in order to fully contribute to a company.

Ever heard of actuaries and statisticians? A large number of them have mathematics backgrounds.

For instance you have polymer and material scientists who create synthetics and other materials used in manufacturing. You have medical physicals and nuclear physicists who respectively contribute to oncology and energy production.

There are jobs that are simply looking for someone with technical skills and it doesnt necessarily have to be a PE certified engineer. It mainly depends on the responsibilities of the job in question, as many companies still prefer to in-house train as no one program covers all of their business needs.
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 11:45 am
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48361 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:52 am to
To be fair, the original "Arts" in STEAM curriculum were architecture, graphic design, and landscape architecture - all fields that rely heavily on math and engineering.

If you really want to scratch you head, most Catholic schools call the curriculum "STREAM" and infuse religion.
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47824 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:19 pm to
They can call it whatever they want, the jobs aren't magically going to appear
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