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re: Loan forgiveness in question - loans may have to be paid back, it's like, really scary

Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:18 am to
Posted by Midget Death Squad
Meme Magic
Member since Oct 2008
24920 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:18 am to
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The program was stupid from the start, but if the government offered it at the time and people had applications in process, they should be able to follow through.



This is exactly it
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
17169 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:20 am to
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anyone who is on it must be grandfathered in


If this doesn't happen then there will be lawsuits.
Posted by HonoraryCoonass
Member since Jan 2005
18177 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:20 am to
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she was promised by the U.S. Education Department under President Barack Obama that her federal loans would be forgiven


Obama promised a lot of shite, Sweetie. You're just going to have to deal with his lies like the rest of us.
Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
23086 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:22 am to
I wouldn't go that far. My problem is the ability to take out huge loans without the intention of paying it back. Didn't they (lenders) learn anything from the housing crisis?
Posted by Machine
Earth
Member since May 2011
6001 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:23 am to
i went to film school, but worked through it. couldn't believe there were as many people also in film school taking out student loans for a liberal arts degree they'd never make money with.

Posted by Midget Death Squad
Meme Magic
Member since Oct 2008
24920 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:24 am to
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Obama promised a lot of shite, Sweetie. You're just going to have to deal with his lies like the rest of us.





stupid count aside, it is law that there is a debt forgiveness program. people have joined it and been on it for years now. changing the law =/= Obama lying. This is an instance in which he didn't lie; he simply enacted a terrible law.


Overturning this law (which must be done) but then not honoring those who have been part of the program would be the same as raising social security age to 75 and telling everyone who is on it between 66-74 that they no longer qualify. You simply can't do that.
Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
23086 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:27 am to
Isn't that exactly what they did in 2012?
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
18210 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:32 am to
For clarity, this is Obama's For Profit college forgiveness program, not the Bush "work for the government/non-profit" one.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46704 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:33 am to
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Danielle Ramos' student-debt nightmare was supposed to be over. Like thousands of others who studied at failed for-profit colleges, she was promised by the U.S. Education Department under President Barack Obama that her federal loans would be forgiven by now. But as the weeks tick by with no reprieve, the 30-year-old college student fears the financial burden will force and her 4-year-old son to move back with her parents. "I'm a single mom, so that's really scary,"


This is what happens when the government distorts the market with easily accessible money. College has become "big business " and the government fed the student loan bubble. When this bubble bursts it ain't gonna be pretty.
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
17169 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:47 am to
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DeVos drew a new round of criticism from borrower advocates when she announced plans to rewrite Obama-era rules that were meant to streamline the complex path toward loan forgiveness.


This woman has no clue how to handle this.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68752 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:02 am to
That's not accurate. I was born in early 1970s. My parents were part of the Silent Generation(between Greatest and Boomers). Same for my friends.

Maybe half X half millenials from boomers. When was the big spike in births? Early, Mid fifties?
This post was edited on 6/27/17 at 10:08 am
Posted by Midget Death Squad
Meme Magic
Member since Oct 2008
24920 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:04 am to
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This woman has no clue how to han



proof?
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
53544 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:05 am to
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But thats because i am responsible and take responsibility for my actions, fulfill my commitmnets and don't have children out of wedlock

Haha you couldn't even handle an independent strong single mommy like her, shitlord
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
53544 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:07 am to
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Good on you, mate. I'll have about a hundred when I'm all done, but they'll all be federal. I live pretty minimalistic so I'll probably take a similar approach.

Good luck getting a job with that gender studies degree
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68752 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:19 am to
quote:
quote:

DeVos drew a new round of criticism from borrower advocates when she announced plans to rewrite Obama-era rules that were meant to streamline the complex path toward loan forgiveness.


This woman has no clue how to handle this.


You're correct. She should just tell them to pay their debts.
Posted by Hickok
Htown
Member since Jan 2013
2877 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:22 am to
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Didn't they (lenders) learn anything from the housing crisis?

Yep they learned to loan out as much money as possible and when it fails the government will bail them out.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
68930 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:46 am to
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 would be the same as raising social security age to 75 and telling everyone who is on it between 66-74 that they no longer qualify. You simply can't do that.


Oh but the government can.

Everyone should understand that government guarantees, guarantee nothing.

Any program can be dismantled in a single election. This is why it is silly to count on multi-generational programs that depend on people who don't even exist yet.

We don't have a clue what conditions people 2 generations from now will be dealing with and we certainly don't know if they will share the same values.

They may well look around and say, "we aren't paying for tthe shite you old people voted for yourselves 100 years aago, go frick yourselves."
Posted by wfallstiger
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jun 2006
11713 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:55 am to
One of our children attended a for profit and if I knew what I have since learned his shadow would have never fallen upon that campus. The irony, the Department of Ed knew how poor this school was but failed to notify folks like me who could have had the opportunity to make an informed decision.

We are not a family of uneducated, slackers. His loans no longer exist as they were paid off. He has served his country in the military and continues to serve as a civilian.

Hold me responsible, fine, but hold predatory for profits for their share of the responsibility. They aren't just cheating me but you likewise as you are also paying the freight!!!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
425838 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 11:19 am to
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Good on you, mate. I'll have about a hundred when I'm all done, but they'll all be federal. I live pretty minimalistic so I'll probably take a similar approach.

go cut your teeth a bit and in a few years, i'll teach you the SFP method of running a law office, baw
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
7692 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 11:28 am to
The day we found out exactly why goldennugget is how he is.



Mixed with a little?


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