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re: How does Walker go from 100% go to not making it out of the 3rd?
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:55 pm to jonboy
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:55 pm to jonboy
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They wouldn't have sent him out there if he was questionable at the start.
Well, he was and they did; so there's that.
I direct you to this:
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Did anyone who is blaming Mainieri listen to his interview during the 4th? He said, "he was good to go and did not have any set backs prior to the game, but during warms ups before the third his muscle started to cramp and tighten.
Gilbert was likely coming behind Walker anyways, so I don't see what the huge deal is. If the defense doesn't shite itself in the middle innings, the combo of Walker/Gilbert likely has us down only 1-0 through 6, with Hess and Newman ready. I'd have been happy with that.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 12:15 am
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:58 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
Walker felt some tightness one day and none the next time he threw. I seriously doubt CPM lied considering how quick they yanked him when he felt something tonight.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 12:00 am to Madking
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CPMs answer was to wait until this morning to make a decision on him.
LINK? That is 100% not true. They took Walker and worked him out Friday or Saturday (I don't recall which) to make sure he was ok. Hanagriff and Ott were talking about it today. They knew Lange was pitching Saturday and ONLY after they were comfortable with Walker's workout did they map out the plan of using Poche out of the pen Saturday and starting Walker tonight.
If you are going to bitch and moan, at least get your facts straight.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 12:07 am
Posted on 6/20/17 at 12:05 am to swlaLSUfan
You really thin Paul just chose to start a pitcher that he didn't think was 100% for shits and giggles?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 12:05 am to Madking
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It's amazing, these people will not admit what happened no matter how wrong they are.
Can you please tell me how a trainer checks for soreness? He pitched a bullpen sat morning and he said he was good. Was PM supposed to say " nah, you are going to get hurt after two innings or work Monday. You aren't good to go."?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 12:09 am to LSUGrad9295
These negatigers are fricking ridiculous.
PM said from jump Walker would be evaluated. He passed.
He then went through 3 before he called to the dugout. We had Gilbert ready to ride. Those 2 were always the plan.
The real issue is our top 5 have gone cold as shite.
You people are fricking stupid
PM said from jump Walker would be evaluated. He passed.
He then went through 3 before he called to the dugout. We had Gilbert ready to ride. Those 2 were always the plan.
The real issue is our top 5 have gone cold as shite.
You people are fricking stupid
Posted on 6/20/17 at 12:11 am to Wild Thang
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We had Gilbert ready to ride. Those 2 were always the plan.
Precisely. Like I said above, if the defense doesn't collapse, Walker/Gilbert have us down 1-0 through 6. I'd have taken that, all things considered.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 12:46 am to swlaLSUfan
And every single one of you thought Walker was the "real" #2 as a never done shite freshman over the senior Poché who has done it for years so stfu all of you. poché should have faced lefty heavy fsu in game one. Lange would have been there for tonight, though it wouldn't have stopped Kramer from shitting the bed and costing us multiple runs in the field while doing zero in the entire CWS at the plate. But maybe we'd have been in it if it was reachable instead of a blowout. I have hope we can win it with Lange tying it up Friday after we run through fsu Wednesday, but the pitching was completely mismanaged and all of you "Walker is the real 2" people are clowns
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 1:48 am
Posted on 6/20/17 at 1:47 am to gatorhater08
It's not like he's our ace or even our number 2 and we had to start him nomatter what happened. He was injured on Tuesday!! PM said that he would hold Poche out of game 1 so when he evaluated Walker on Monday morning if there was any probems he could just go to Poche. He didn't do any of that he basically shite the bed. What's even more ignorant is the circumstance around the Walker decision in the first place. PM said he wAs starting Walker vs OSU because he wanted a righty but ignored that strategy vs FSU a lefty heavy lineup Saturday. He could've had Poche vs FSU then Lange vs OSU if he was being honest about using matchups as his strategy. Something stinks about this whole thing and it's coming from CPM. Either he's blowing a bunch of smoke as an excuse to start Walker or he panicked like he always does in big situations. We needed 2 wins to advance to the championship series and we have pretty much co-aces at the front of our rotation yet somehow he managed to find a way not to start one of those 2 aces. What's even more amazing is the fanbase went right along with the decision and never questioned it until Walker got hurt tday lol.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 1:57 am
Posted on 6/20/17 at 4:03 am to High C
quote:. More likely that Walker lied. Ball players do this, they are competitive and don't want to let the team down. That is where a coach has to make the smart choice for the players well being and future.
Manieri lied
Posted on 6/20/17 at 4:25 am to Swagga
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Either the medical staff or maineri needed to make the decision here. Walker is going to say 10/10 times he's fine.
They can only make a decision based on what Walker tells them. They can't feel his fricking arm for him.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:41 am to tigerfan92
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seems to me that you have never played baseball before arm problems can happen on any pitch at any time
this is 100% correct. however, it does interfere with the "LSU coach is an idiot" narrative than some fans love.
life is just one big conspiracy to some people. I wish there was a test to determine these kind of people at birth so we could just kill them on the spot and assure the survival of the planet. I can see it now; the doctor tells the new parents "your child has "conspiracy syndrome"; we had to put him down" the parents reply with well hell, I guess we'll have to make another one. maybe this one will be normal.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:45 am to Brettesaurus Rex
It's worth talking about.
He knew Walker had "unusual soreness in his forearm" last week on Tuesday.
Instead of prepping our Senior Poche to start against the #1 team with the best record in the history of NCAA baseball, he prepared to start the injured freshman. We then used Poche as a bullpen pitcher in game 1 removing all options of using him against OSU. It was a bad plan. Don't bash posters he want to talk about it.
He knew Walker had "unusual soreness in his forearm" last week on Tuesday.
Instead of prepping our Senior Poche to start against the #1 team with the best record in the history of NCAA baseball, he prepared to start the injured freshman. We then used Poche as a bullpen pitcher in game 1 removing all options of using him against OSU. It was a bad plan. Don't bash posters he want to talk about it.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 6:47 am
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:46 am to Brettesaurus Rex
Happens all the time with MLB pitchers.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:47 am to dgnx6
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you didn't have to throw Poche on Saturday. Even if that was the only option, you didn't have to throw Walker tonight.
The point is that we were not going to win the CWS without Walker. It just wasn't going to happen. Manieri took the only gamble that could produce a national title, and decent fans should applaud him for that.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:51 am to Brettesaurus Rex
Epicondylitis
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:52 am to Madking
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if he wants a righty tnite because of matchup concerns why not start Poche vs FSU (a lefty lineup) then Lange tnite?
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This whole mess was typical CPM meddling in what was successful for us down the stretch. This kind of thing will never change and I honestly can't believe ppl didn't see this coming.
Typical doofus fan contradicts himself in the same post.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:03 am to Madking
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We needed 2 wins to advance to the championship series and we have pretty much co-aces at the front of our rotation yet somehow he managed to find a way not to start one of those 2 aces.
The overwhelming sentiment among LSU fans is that Walker was clearly our second best pitcher.
The injury to Walker gives idiots like Madking a chance to blame Manieri. But if Walker had stayed in and pitched a perfect game after the first we'd have lost 3-1 on Kramer's error and the lack of production from our hitters.
Had we pitched Poche against FSU (a decision that would have been widely criticized), and managed to win, there is no way Lange beats OSU tonight. We had to hold them to one run just to get to extra innings - and that doesn't take into consideration the sloppy defense.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:15 am to dgnx6
Walker sure let he coach know something wasn't right and he took himself out of the game. Walker made a good decision and I hope he comes back 100% next year
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:21 am to swlaLSUfan
His plan was backwards imo.
Jp should have started game 1. Senior 4 year starter on verge of being the all time winningest pitch in school history. If they would have lost both games he did t make a start.
AL should have started game two. Pivot game and probable playing number one team that has lost 4,games. Pitcher with best stuff, if game one lost...lose go home...win days of rest and win bracket, but if he had control issues like Saturday, OSU walks away big again. Walker gets more rest and poche ready to start.
I'm sure they were confident in walker to be able to pitch, and aurguibly the best pitcher down stretch, but not 100% appernetly. He could have kept last night game close. Still one run wasn't going to beat any team out there.
The master plan not start JP and possibly lose two games and not start a guy who could end up being the all time winningest pitcher in school history is a flawed approach, run support or not.
Jp should have started game 1. Senior 4 year starter on verge of being the all time winningest pitch in school history. If they would have lost both games he did t make a start.
AL should have started game two. Pivot game and probable playing number one team that has lost 4,games. Pitcher with best stuff, if game one lost...lose go home...win days of rest and win bracket, but if he had control issues like Saturday, OSU walks away big again. Walker gets more rest and poche ready to start.
I'm sure they were confident in walker to be able to pitch, and aurguibly the best pitcher down stretch, but not 100% appernetly. He could have kept last night game close. Still one run wasn't going to beat any team out there.
The master plan not start JP and possibly lose two games and not start a guy who could end up being the all time winningest pitcher in school history is a flawed approach, run support or not.
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