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re: Politics are somewhat irrelevant, this shooter was a crazy person
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
This seems too trite for you SFP.
It's not right to label people like this crazy and leave it at that.
For one thing, how many of us are, to some degree, not exactly right in the head? How many are on anti depressants and anxiety medication?
For another, whether or not you're "crazy", it still matters what ideas get into your head. Dylan Roof could be crazy without getting the idea that he needed to kill random black people. He did that because of the ideas he had, and the ideas didn't get there by magic.
It's not right to label people like this crazy and leave it at that.
For one thing, how many of us are, to some degree, not exactly right in the head? How many are on anti depressants and anxiety medication?
For another, whether or not you're "crazy", it still matters what ideas get into your head. Dylan Roof could be crazy without getting the idea that he needed to kill random black people. He did that because of the ideas he had, and the ideas didn't get there by magic.
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Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
It was politically motivated so it's going to get ugly.
Harlan Hill just dropped the truth on twitter.
Now one has to wonder, will this stop some of this BS or is it just the start?
Harlan Hill just dropped the truth on twitter.
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Harlan Z. Hill?Verified account @Harlan 23m23 minutes ago
Events like today are EXACTLY why we took issue with NY elites glorifying the assassination of our President
Now one has to wonder, will this stop some of this BS or is it just the start?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
I just want to ban a flag
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
Were the BLM Cop killers/City burners all "crazy"? I've heard some account themselves very well. What about that College Professor in the other Thread; is he "crazy"?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:25 am to DelU249
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Nope. He was angry about muh russians
I know you are a troll. And I know you think you are witty. But you are just horrible at it, constantly
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:26 am to SlowFlowPro
Depends on how crazy.
Jared Loughner was crazy-crazy. Adam Lanza too.
Dylan Roof was crazy enough to be coerced by radical ideology. Same for Omar Mateen.
While many people involved in this shite aren't at all "normal" members of whatever destructive ideology they belong to, it is important for society to recognize how rhetoric and extremism can play for the mentally disturbed.
Jared Loughner was crazy-crazy. Adam Lanza too.
Dylan Roof was crazy enough to be coerced by radical ideology. Same for Omar Mateen.
While many people involved in this shite aren't at all "normal" members of whatever destructive ideology they belong to, it is important for society to recognize how rhetoric and extremism can play for the mentally disturbed.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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just like Dylan Roof was a crazy person, or how Adam Lanza was a crazy person, or how Omar Mateen was a crazy person Republicans, you need to be VERY careful in how you describe this shooter and the overall motivations/policies involved don't forget how you responded to mass shootings that don't fit your political narrative
Just because a person is mentally Ill, doesn't mean that outside factors can't spur them into action. Certainly, there can be triggers that precede an action.
This post was edited on 6/14/17 at 8:27 am
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:26 am to AUstar
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It's obvious he is a crazy person, but that didn't stop the left from using the Dylan Roof shooting for their own purposes.
they're going to use this for their own political purposes too
be the better man
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:26 am to ILeaveAtHalftime
Sorry hitler
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:26 am to bamarep
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targeted one particular party.
Huh? Until we know more, he targeted a baseball practice. Don't make yourself look like a jumping to conclusion fool.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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how much more information do you need to assess this shooter as crazy?
Well, honestly it depends on how you're defining "crazy."
Is someone who opens fire on innocent human beings playing baseball "crazy?" Sure, I would think so.
But does that vague definition of "crazy" inherently imply that person had no idea what they were doing? Or that they were in some sort of mental la-la land where they have no moral culpability? No.
Lots of normal people get sick thoughts in their heads. The difference between a lot of "normal" people and "crazy" people is that they don't act on those sick thoughts.
This post was edited on 6/14/17 at 8:27 am
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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just like Dylan Roof was a crazy person, or how Adam Lanza was a crazy person, or how Omar Mateen was a crazy person
Republicans, you need to be VERY careful in how you describe this shooter and the overall motivations/policies involved
don't forget how you responded to mass shootings that don't fit your political narrative
This is what most conservative always do. At least that is the position I take.
But, if it is a Muslim shouting Allah Ackbar, I quit trying to rationalize any further - the problem is in the roots of that gutter religion. Sure they are crazy, but the craziness is not the causative problem.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:27 am to DawgfaninCa
Crazy person who hated Republicans.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:27 am to jb4
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All mass shooters are crazy. Yet, the current left narrative is dangerous and can inspire such people.
the thing is that almost ANY narrative can be used by these crazy people
this just is just politically convenient
if Dylan Roof isn't a sign of institutional racism in America, then this guy isn't a sign of the "Current left narrative"
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:27 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:and it's why you lose and get painted as the bad guy
This is what most conservative always do. At least that is the position I take.
Get woke son
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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institutional racism in America
Slow, I think you have lost it.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:29 am to bamarep
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Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:29 am to SlowFlowPro
Jake, it's literally too early to tell.
Yet how many flags and statues came down/are still coming down due to this catalyst?
Demonstrably, provably crazy - but the left made it a gun control issue. He killed his mother for her guns. He attacked a deliberately disarmed school. No gun control measure in the world could have stopped him.
He was a conflicted, gay, Muslim jihadist. I agree that's a lot of layers, but just how much was crazy and how much was jihad (you don't contend that Jihadis are blameless because Jihad itself is crazy, do you)? We'll likely never know.
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Dylan Roof was a crazy person
Yet how many flags and statues came down/are still coming down due to this catalyst?
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Adam Lanza was a crazy person
Demonstrably, provably crazy - but the left made it a gun control issue. He killed his mother for her guns. He attacked a deliberately disarmed school. No gun control measure in the world could have stopped him.
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Omar Mateen was a crazy person
He was a conflicted, gay, Muslim jihadist. I agree that's a lot of layers, but just how much was crazy and how much was jihad (you don't contend that Jihadis are blameless because Jihad itself is crazy, do you)? We'll likely never know.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:29 am to UFMatt
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Had more people in attendance had guns, this would have ended quicker.
I just read an article that said the shooting went on for 10 minutes. How was this guy not taken out by the Capital Police?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:29 am to tide06
Guy was targetting republicans. I mean, come on slow. You are reasonable, but considering the gun blamong left is already out in force on tv, your call not tom politicize this is hollow
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