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Is Wonder Woman Actually That Good?
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:09 pm
I don't trust most critics because the nature of the controversy surrounding the movie. The fact that it is a female led superhero movie seems to predominate the thought of all critics. They either pander to it or hate it.
So I ask the relatively more sane M/TV Board. My understanding from friends who have seen it is that it doesn't do anything to break the mold, but it is pretty well executed, enjoyable, and an overall fun movie that is worth seeing, though maybe not in theaters. Chris Pine is apparently quite good as the love interest and Gal Gadot is both gorgeous and decent in her role.
Is that about right or is the movie really something special like it's 93% RT rating and 76 Metacritic rating suggest?
So I ask the relatively more sane M/TV Board. My understanding from friends who have seen it is that it doesn't do anything to break the mold, but it is pretty well executed, enjoyable, and an overall fun movie that is worth seeing, though maybe not in theaters. Chris Pine is apparently quite good as the love interest and Gal Gadot is both gorgeous and decent in her role.
Is that about right or is the movie really something special like it's 93% RT rating and 76 Metacritic rating suggest?
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:11 pm to LoveThatMoney
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So I ask the relatively more sane M/TV Board. My understanding from friends who have seen it is that it doesn't do anything to break the mold, but it is pretty well executed, enjoyable, and an overall fun movie that is worth seeing, though maybe not in theaters. Chris Pine is apparently quite good as the love interest and Gal Gadot is both gorgeous and decent in her role.
I would agree with most of that. I would say it's very well executed, paced and worth seeing in theaters. Doesn't really have any major flaws.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:12 pm to LoveThatMoney
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My understanding from friends who have seen it is that it doesn't do anything to break the mold, but it is pretty well executed, enjoyable, and an overall fun movie that is worth seeing, though maybe not in theaters. Chris Pine is apparently quite good as the love interest and Gal Gadot is both gorgeous and decent in her role.
Pretty much this. It's just the first Thor and Captain America put into a blender to make something that is better than either of them. It does the origin story particularly well, and I'd say its the best superhero origin story since Batman Begins.
This post was edited on 6/7/17 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:18 pm to LoveThatMoney
it was solid
kind of stupid in many areas
the CGI/fights were meh in many instances
it's on that level
kind of stupid in many areas
the CGI/fights were meh in many instances
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and an overall fun movie that is worth seeing, though maybe not in theaters
it's on that level
This post was edited on 6/7/17 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:19 pm to LoveThatMoney
Yes. If it was a Marvel movie, it would easily be one of the best, if not the best.
This post was edited on 6/7/17 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:20 pm to LoveThatMoney
The Metacritic rating is about right. People are going crazy over it because the DC cinematic universe can finally hang its hat on a good film, but it's pretty standard fare for a superhero film. Nowhere near as good as either of the last two Captain America films, Guardians of the Galaxy, or Ant Man.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:20 pm to OMLandshark
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I'd say its the best superhero origin story since Batman Begins
Better than both Iron Man and Captain America? That's saying something.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:21 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Better than both Iron Man and Captain America? That's saying something.
hyperbole by OLM
also, GOTG was an "origin story" and blew this thing out of the water
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
I believe it's the female hero thing. I liked it, but I would say Marvel has several that were better. It is a good movie, it checks the boxes, and a wife/girlfriend will see it as opposed to other "Superhero" movies.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:28 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Better than both Iron Man and Captain America? That's saying something.
For the time, Iron Man might be a bit better, but Marvel has beaten that format into the ground to where that movie is no longer anywhere near as entertaining as it once was. And yeah, I liked this movie a lot more than I liked Captain America.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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also, GOTG was an "origin story" and blew this thing out of the water
That crossed my mind, but Guardians isn't exactly an origin story in my mind. It just feels like they immediately got into the Avengers and all these characters have been doing this crap for decades by the point the movie starts. It's just they found each other.
But yes, Guardians is comfortably better than Wonder Woman.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:31 pm to LoveThatMoney
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I don't trust most critics because the nature of the controversy surrounding the movie. The fact that it is a female led superhero movie seems to predominate the thought of all critics. They either pander to it or hate it.
Yeah, there's a lot of critics and commentators who like to attach their personal agenda to the movie and run with it regardless of the actual quality and/or message of the movie.
But the good reviews are warranted. I really enjoyed the movie. It's vastly superior to any of the recent DCCU movie's and most of the very recent Marvel movies. It succeeds because the movie has levity to it that enhances the character developments.
It succeeds as a superhero movie because there are situations the characters go through that only a superhero could survive, but rally every other character because of these superheroic fears of courage.
I definitely recommend seeing the movie. It's by no means an exceptional movie as it has some flaws. However, the flaws don't detract from the enjoyableness of the film.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:32 pm to OMLandshark
Interesting. I just have major doubts about the DCEU, so I need people like y'all to tell me that this isn't some Zack Snyder turd. I know he didn't direct this, but he helped write and produced it so my shitty movie antennae are up.
ETA: also hilarious that I have a downvote for asking the question.
ETA: also hilarious that I have a downvote for asking the question.
This post was edited on 6/7/17 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:34 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Interesting. I just have major doubts about the DCEU, so I need people like y'all to tell me that this isn't some Zack Snyder turd. I know he didn't direct this, but he helped write and produced it so my shitty movie antennae are up.
If you were unfamiliar with DC's heroic catalog and just the movies in and of themselves, you'd be certain this was a Marvel movie and not DC.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:35 pm to OMLandshark
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But yes, Guardians is comfortably better than Wonder Woman
Hrrmmm. See I put Cap 1 and 2 on GotG level. So when you say WW is better than Cap 1, that to me is a major endorsement. Irrespective of that, it sounds like it's probably worth seeing.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:40 pm to LoveThatMoney
I didn't want to believe the hype but it was indeed as good as advertised. Can't name much I didn't like.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:42 pm to LoveThatMoney
It was a Marvel movie, but with a DC character.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:43 pm to LoveThatMoney
As a marvel fanboy who hates women, I can honestly say I haven't seen it yet. But I'll let you know.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:45 pm to LoveThatMoney
There was a moment when the color washed out of the film and it felt like a Snyder movie, but honestly, given the context, it WORKED. she was going from the beautiful colors of paradise to the washed out world of mankind. And life gets drained out of you, like the color palette. It turned the stylistic problems of Snyder into an honest to God positive.
I've said in the other thread I don't like the WWI setting, and I don't think the scenes at the Front work due to the issues with World War I, and Wonder Woman not really fitting there. But the rest of the movie works like gangbusters, and the movie really only spends about five minutes on the Front. As soon as it moves to the village, the tonal problem resolves itself.
The best thing about the movie is that the supporting cast works well and each feel like fully realized characters, and they all get their own moment. They also have logical motivations and aren't just magical plot devices (more of a problem with the MCU).
I do think it's getting a pass for its ham-fisted framing device, but whatever. Critics are just happy this doesn't suck, and that a DCU film wasn't a brutal slog. So they are ignoring some of the film's weaker points because A) it doesn't really ruin the film and B) no one wants to spoil the party. It's a fun movie. And we're all better off if there's competition in the superhero genre.
I've said in the other thread I don't like the WWI setting, and I don't think the scenes at the Front work due to the issues with World War I, and Wonder Woman not really fitting there. But the rest of the movie works like gangbusters, and the movie really only spends about five minutes on the Front. As soon as it moves to the village, the tonal problem resolves itself.
The best thing about the movie is that the supporting cast works well and each feel like fully realized characters, and they all get their own moment. They also have logical motivations and aren't just magical plot devices (more of a problem with the MCU).
I do think it's getting a pass for its ham-fisted framing device, but whatever. Critics are just happy this doesn't suck, and that a DCU film wasn't a brutal slog. So they are ignoring some of the film's weaker points because A) it doesn't really ruin the film and B) no one wants to spoil the party. It's a fun movie. And we're all better off if there's competition in the superhero genre.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:48 pm to Baloo
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Critics are just happy this doesn't suck, and that a DCU film wasn't a brutal slog.
i think this is true
it's being graded on a curve based on the Snyder films
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