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Just imagine MJ's numbers if they didn't play defense and

Posted on 5/25/17 at 10:21 pm
Posted by TOPAL
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 10:21 pm
had run and gun offenses. Also, if the east only had a handful of players that the worth a shite. His scoring, assist, rebounds and steals would be up substantially.
What does the MSB think?


This post was edited on 5/25/17 at 10:24 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85489 posts
Posted on 5/25/17 at 10:21 pm to
quote:

What does the MSB think?
quote:

f they didn't play defense


@ you.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111301 posts
Posted on 5/25/17 at 10:23 pm to
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What does the MSB think?

can't say, don't want to be mean
Posted by Weagle25
THE Football State.
Member since Oct 2011
46274 posts
Posted on 5/25/17 at 10:23 pm to
Probably 40-10-10 if i had to guess
Posted by Woopigsooie20
Me Scusi
Member since Mar 2010
57362 posts
Posted on 5/25/17 at 10:27 pm to
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Just imagine MJ's numbers if they didn't play defense


We don't have to imagine.
Posted by sgallo3
Dorne
Member since Sep 2008
24747 posts
Posted on 5/25/17 at 10:40 pm to
yeah. despite all the advancements in training and sports science the NBA players today are sooo much worse than they were 25 years ago... players have literally got better, faster, and stronger at every sport except basketball

/sarcasm

This post was edited on 5/25/17 at 10:42 pm
Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
Member since Sep 2016
30769 posts
Posted on 5/25/17 at 10:44 pm to
In the 90's, the East was stacked like the West is now, and it was as physical as basketball can get. Today, Jordan would get to the foul line 10-15 times per game. He'd average 35 points easily
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
83852 posts
Posted on 5/25/17 at 10:55 pm to
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His scoring, assist, rebounds
So like, MAYBE as high as Lebron's when he's finished?
Posted by imraged
Member since Nov 2010
2343 posts
Posted on 5/25/17 at 11:08 pm to
Pace is substantially higher than it was in the mid to late 90s. The late 80s/early 90s were a bit faster paced than the current NBA though.

The lack of illegal defense in the current era kinda evens that out though. Theoretically it was meant to make team scoring more important to move away from the slow crawl of iso ball that the NBA had moved to. And for a while it worked, peaking probably around '10 to '14 with relatively few 20+ ppg scorers and only a couple of 30+. Some may argue that it was an indictment of the league's talent but I think it was more to do with Thibodeau's defensive principles becoming commonplace.

In the last couple of years things have swung back the offense's way with more and more teams moving to 4-out types of offenses but most of LeBron's career numbers have been accumulated during one of the toughest defensive eras especially for a player with his skillset. On top of that the east has featured some great defensive teams:

Magic #1 in '09
Celtics #5 in '10
Celtics #1, Bulls #2 in '11
Celtics #1, Knicks #5 in '12
Pacers #1 in '13
Pacers #1, Bobcats #5 in '14

The offensive weakness of some of these teams may've afforded him more opportunities to advance and play more games but there's no denying what he's done against top level opposition.
This post was edited on 5/25/17 at 11:09 pm
Posted by MidnightVibe
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 11:09 pm to




Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 5/25/17 at 11:20 pm to
Obviously he would average 50/15/10
Posted by RocketPower13
Member since Jan 2017
2493 posts
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:30 am to
Imagine if James came up with Phil Jackson as his coach instead of who he's had... Just the other day I was reading a thread where Lue was getting killed as a horrible coach
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 2:31 am
Posted by Skillet
Member since Aug 2006
108401 posts
Posted on 5/26/17 at 9:10 am to
Lots more elite athletes in today's NBA. MJ would still be a stud if he would be playing in today's time obviously, but he'd have to have 2 more studs on his team to win anything, just like the rest of them.
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 5/26/17 at 11:42 am to
We saw what Jordan did in the 80s, we don't have to imagine what he'd do in a run n gun league with no defense.
Posted by The Midnight Rider
Where the River Empties
Member since May 2015
1576 posts
Posted on 5/26/17 at 12:04 pm to
Jordan was a sociopathic arsehole that was obsessed with winning ON HIS TERMS. His assists don't compare to LeBron's because he always elected to take a shot, no matter how cold he was, rather than make the smart basketball play. LeBron has been focused on helping his teammates and team succeed since day 1, even if it results in a skewed perception of his abilities. Which it has, because people refuse to accept that anyone but Jordan can be the GOAT at playing and understanding the game of basketball.
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 12:56 pm
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48588 posts
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:33 pm to
He'd avg close to 40ppg.
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