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re: What's your view on vaccinations?
Posted on 5/4/17 at 10:24 am to ZappBrannigan
Posted on 5/4/17 at 10:24 am to ZappBrannigan
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Autism is a neurological disorder. The damaged membranes occur during fetal development. There's a near enough zero chance autism is caused by vaccines that have no way to cause an effect on areas that formed wrong.
What's your source for this? Not trying to dispute but this is news to me.
Also, those of you saying "Autism is the new ADHD, autism is just a label doctors give out, autism is just another word for weird now" - I'm not trying to be rude but honestly if your experience of autism is maybe knowing one high functioning person with autism and a few magazine articles please, and I say this with love, just STFU for now and either learn more or be quiet.
Autistic disorder is on a spectrum. It's not binary. The treatment for the symptoms of autism is applied behavior analysis, basically disguising a bunch of boring repetitive tasks to get the patient to do certain things like make eye contact. And sure, you can get an autistic person to make eye contact, it's not that hard, but try getting them to actually take something from the eye contact. Try getting them to look where you're looking when you're acting scared or pleased about something behind them, try getting them to do that in a natural and non-formulaic way.
The fact that someone appears to you, on the surface to be "just a bit quiet" and "not real autistic" because they can hold a back and forth conversation without sounding like an automated call answering system doesn't mean they don't have deficits, it doesn't mean there aren't minor or even significant issues that you can't see. It's really not helpful for high functioning autistic kids or adults to just be lumped back into the weird category, even with the best of intentions. And this is especially important in girls and young women - autistic girls look very similar to socially below average "weird" boys. The doctors and other professionals dealing with these issues do not take this stuff lightly.
Here's a great article on the autism in girls issue
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Pelphrey is a leading autism researcher at Yale University's world-renowned Child Study Center. But even he did not recognize the condition in his daughter, who was finally diagnosed at about five years of age. Today Frances is a slender, lightly freckled 12-year-old with her dad's warm brown eyes. Like many girls her age, she is shy but also has strong opinions about what she does and does not want. At lunchtime, she and her little brother, Lowell, engage in some classic sibling squabbling—“Mom, he's kicking me!”
Lowell, seven, received an autism diagnosis much earlier, at 16 months. Their mom, Page, can recall how different the diagnostic process was for her two children. With Lowell, it was a snap. With Frances, she says, they went from doctor to doctor and were told to simply watch and wait—or that there were various physical reasons for her delays, such as not being able to see well because of an eye condition called strabismus that would require surgical treatment at 20 months. “We got a lot of different random little diagnoses,” she recalls. “They kept saying, ‘Oh, you have a girl. It's not autism.’”
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 10:34 am to onmymedicalgrind
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Healthy young child goes to doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines, doesn't feel good and changes - AUTISM. Many such cases!
Posted on 5/4/17 at 10:50 am to BamaAtl
I mean the whole article u posted focus on how important it is when mom has or doesn't know if she has Hep B. The author then throws out the generic "it saves lives" to cover the other cases without much discussion. Sure the vaccine is very very low risk of major side effects but it is lower than actually contracted the disease when mother doesn't have it?
These were concerns laid out by our Ped not just me.
Chicken Pox is another vaccine that I have concerns with and not bc it causes autism. There are side effects that can be substantial granted in very small #s. Plus this was a disease prior to the vaccine where parents would have chicken pox "parties" and expose their kids to it so they can get it and then be done with it. If people voluntarily allowed their kids to get it then we can't really claim it's some life or death dilemma.
I have read some medical articles that opine since people no longer getting full blown chicken pox (bc of vaccine) does it has something to do with the rise in shingles cases? The thought being that when a child gets the CP is helps to strengthen the original resistance the parent received when he/she had the disease several years ago.
Look it is all something to think about and it is definitely something you SHOULD discuss with your Ped. If your Ped doesn't know much more then this vaccine is on the schedule or talks down to you for questioning her on the issue then you might want to switch Drs.
These were concerns laid out by our Ped not just me.
Chicken Pox is another vaccine that I have concerns with and not bc it causes autism. There are side effects that can be substantial granted in very small #s. Plus this was a disease prior to the vaccine where parents would have chicken pox "parties" and expose their kids to it so they can get it and then be done with it. If people voluntarily allowed their kids to get it then we can't really claim it's some life or death dilemma.
I have read some medical articles that opine since people no longer getting full blown chicken pox (bc of vaccine) does it has something to do with the rise in shingles cases? The thought being that when a child gets the CP is helps to strengthen the original resistance the parent received when he/she had the disease several years ago.
Look it is all something to think about and it is definitely something you SHOULD discuss with your Ped. If your Ped doesn't know much more then this vaccine is on the schedule or talks down to you for questioning her on the issue then you might want to switch Drs.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 11:13 am
Posted on 5/4/17 at 10:56 am to BamaAtl
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Vaccines are safe.
For most sure, but there's a reason there's a National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 10:59 am to Parmen
They are helpful in preventing disease.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:04 am to Parmen
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We need to give them the same amount, just in smaller spread out dosages. We are pumping way too much into children at once.
Based on what?
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Autism is an epidemic now.
There is more evidence suggesting Autism is linked to genetic predisposition, diet, and microbes causing disfunction through the gut-brain axis.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:15 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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What does autism have to do with vaccination?
Mercury levels in the past were at higher levels back in the 80's or so. It is believed these higher levels of mercury dosed in such short intervals caused damage to the developing brain.
FWIW, i'm pro-vaccine, but don't see the harm in spacing out vaccinations. Admittedly, i'm not 100% knowledgeable on all of the findings from the medical community and i haven't fortified a position other than i've vaccinated my son, and will be vaccinating #2 when the time comes.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 11:17 am
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:21 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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My view is I wish they would invent a vaccine against liberalism.
They do, it's called common sense. Smart parents instill this in their children.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:23 am to STEVED00
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Sure the vaccine is very very low risk of major side effects but it is lower than actually contracted the disease when mother doesn't have it?
Yes.
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Plus this was a disease prior to the vaccine where parents would have chicken pox "parties" and expose their kids to it so they can get it and then be done with it. If people voluntarily allowed their kids to get it then we can't really claim it's some life or death dilemma.
And those who didn't get it as a child were exposed to great risk as adults. The vaccine removes that risk.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:26 am to Parmen
quote:I was around an autistic child last week, I know because his Mom told me.....three times.
Autism is an epidemic now.
Autism is real, but when you are 'on the spectrum' and tell people constantly about it, I aint so sure.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:28 am to berrycajun
quote:well, chemtrails cant get to kids that arent allowed to go outside.
They scare me. It's not the virus in the vaccine that I fear, it's whatever else they may be putting in them. Kennedy reports some very eye opening info. It's concerning.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:33 am to BugAC
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Mercury levels in the past were at higher levels back in the 80's or so. It is believed these higher levels of mercury dosed in such short intervals caused damage to the developing brain.
This theory doesn't really hold water when you consider that Autism is still on the rise.
People want to find a smoking gun. They reality may simply be that the increased occurrence of Autism and other diseases is simply due to a reduction of infant mortality.
There is a very clear inverse correlation there, yet everyone wants to blame the one thing we know is actually preventing disease.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:46 am to Bmath
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This theory doesn't really hold water when you consider that Autism is still on the rise.
Well mercury isn't the only bad thing in vaccines. Other preservatives and heavy metals, like aluminum are also present. Aluminum levels correlate pretty strongly to Alzheimer's as an example.
You need to get the vaccines without the extras
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:49 am to Parmen
science, science, science!
Its a no brainer.
Its a no brainer.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:00 pm to zatetic
quote:Yeah. And my son has probably gotten about 10X that much from formula alone. Every single substance we ingest in one form the other can be dangerous at certain levels, even water.
Aluminum levels correlate pretty strongly to Alzheimer's as an example.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:07 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Autism is not an epidemic now, doctors who diagnose it are.
"Autism" is made more prevalent simply because referring to autism now includes "autism spectrum" symptoms.
If you think autism spectrum diagnosis are overstating the actual numbers, go coach a youth soccer team or baseball team. There is an autism spectrum player on every team I've coached.
I'm only saying that because I'm now more aware of the symptoms. I think the same can be said of doctors who are in a position to diagnose children with the condition.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:24 pm to Parmen
I'm of the generation that was in the vanguard regarding vaccinations - polio, chicken pox, measles, mumps, rubella all became part of the regimen when I was a child.
Those were the days before so-called spectrum disorders and the over-diagnosis of everything. A kid like me that today would be diagnosed with ADHD and pumped full of ritalin would just be punished or whipped (or both) into submission.
Kids with real problems were pretty much segregated.
All in all, I don't remember it being some kind of dark age of penury and repression and I don't think I have any more scar tissue than the average bear from those days.
Also, no one was allergic to gluten or peanut butter that I can recall...
Those were the days before so-called spectrum disorders and the over-diagnosis of everything. A kid like me that today would be diagnosed with ADHD and pumped full of ritalin would just be punished or whipped (or both) into submission.
Kids with real problems were pretty much segregated.
All in all, I don't remember it being some kind of dark age of penury and repression and I don't think I have any more scar tissue than the average bear from those days.
Also, no one was allergic to gluten or peanut butter that I can recall...
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:27 pm to Parmen
If you believe that vaccinations cause autism then please never have children. Polio is making a comeback because of fricktards like you.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:28 pm to Parmen
Your tinfoil hat is on too tight today. Autism is not an epidemic now. It is simply being diagnosed more because of several reasons. Most professionals, including healthcare providers and even teachers are better trained to recognize the early signs. Also, It is now recommended by the American Academy of pediatrics that all infants and toddlers undergo an autism screening. Thirdly, with the advent of Aspergers and autism-lite diagnoses, the criteria for what is now called autistic spectrum disorder is loose relative to 20 years ago .
And let's not forget about that study that showed a link between vaccinations and autism that was actually faked by the author
And let's not forget about that study that showed a link between vaccinations and autism that was actually faked by the author
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:30 pm to Parmen
...and also frick you for making me be on the same side as LSUTangerine.
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