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re: What's your view on vaccinations?

Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:25 am to
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:25 am to
The Hep B vaccine day 1 in the hospital bothers me. I just don't see the point of vaccinating a new born for a STD that early.

Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:28 am to
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The Hep B vaccine day 1 in the hospital bothers me. I just don't see the point of vaccinating a new born for a STD that early.



Hep B can be transmitted other ways besides sexual contact. And that newborn timeframe is a common time of life for Hep B infection.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 8:31 am
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22497 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:29 am to
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I agree, Measles and Mumps cases are already on the rise with dumbass soccer moms not vaccinating their kids because they watched Dr. Oz. I sure don't want polio coming back.


Curious what you mean by on the rise. Please include the trend data. I know a lot of the Disneyland cases were vaccinated. Honestly can these diseases mutate over time making original vaccines not as effective (no troll).

I just hate when folks start group think like this is a settled science that never needs to be questioned. Vaccines definitely work but the process still needs to be continually evaluated and researched like any science.

Also it should be noted that sanitation is leaps and bounds better now than it was when small pox and the Black Plague were running rampant. That had to play some sort of role in the spread of disease.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 8:35 am
Posted by Slevin7
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:30 am to
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They don't cause autism that's fricking retarded.


Well played sir.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22497 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:31 am to
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Hep B can be transmitted other ways besides sexual contact. And newborn infection is very common with Hep B.


How else can it be transmitted? How common is newborn infection with Hep B if the parents are not Hep B positive?
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 8:31 am
Posted by Bob Sacamano
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:32 am to
Not "organic" but necessary to keep developing and taking vaccines if we want to survive as a species.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 8:33 am
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51939 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:35 am to
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How else can it be transmitted?


Contact with infected blood as well.

I think the main point is that newborns have a very, very high chance of developing chronic issues if exposed to Hep B in the beginning stages of life, something like 90%.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22497 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:37 am to
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think the main point is that newborns have a very, very high chance of developing chronic issues if exposed to Hep B in the beginning stages of life, something like 90%.


Well was there data saying this was happening at a meaningful rate? If the mom is not Hep B positive, how is a baby coming in contact with infected blood other than some sort of hospital mistake or freak accident.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51939 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:40 am to
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Well was there data saying this was happening at a meaningful rate? If the mom is not Hep B positive, how is a baby coming in contact with infected blood other than some sort of hospital mistake or freak accident.


I mean, that is not really a risk I'm willing to take considering the HepB vaccine is safe and effective.

Plus, you never know with childcare workers with parents dropping their babies off at daycare at 6 weeks old.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22497 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:47 am to
I mean I'm sure there are some very rare side effects that could be concerning (like any vaccine). My point is there a better chance of getting the rare side effect than actually contracting the disease?

Also I'm sure there are mild side effects like fever and discomfort, so is that really necessary for a 1 day old baby when the chances of him contracting the disease is very very small (parents don't have the disease and at home care). It just seems more like it's a concern that that baby may never step foot in a dr office again so we need to take care of something asap.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 8:48 am
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:57 am to
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Autism is not an epidemic now, doctors who diagnose it are.


This. In more technical terms, diagnoses have increased, not incidence of the disease in the population.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:03 am to
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1) Vaccines are not subjected to safety tests vs a placebo. They are only safety tested vs old vaccines that were never safety tested. If it isn't worse they consider it OK w/out ever figuring out what issues existing vaccines might be causing.


This is not true

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2) Vaccine manufacturer's cannot be taken to court if they make a bad product. They are protected in this country. So if you get a bad vaccine and get sick or die, nobody can sue or go after the vaccine maker.


That's why we have the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program

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3) Multiple vaccines at once.....There are literally zero tests done to insure the safety of taking more than one vaccine at a time. People are just guinea pigs. Our doctor makes sure our kids get no more than 1 vaccine within any 4 week period. This provides enough time for the immune system to recover and rebalance after each vaccine before getting the next.



A simple Google Scholar search yields 174,000 studies on the safety of vaccination schedules

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4) Vaccines are recommended for people with zero testing. Take pregnant women for example. Doctors love to say get all these vaccines but there are zero safety studies on the effects of the vaccine on a fetus or a pregnant woman in general.


Almost 32,000 results just on the safety of the influenza vaccine in pregnant women

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5) The flu shot is completely pointless. Influenza is an RNA replicator and a VERY sloppy one at that. Every time influenza reproduces it mutates. It is literally impossible to create a vaccine for influenza.


Here's a good resource on the efficacy of the influenza vaccination

It's clear you need to spend some time away from Jenny McCarthy's blog and read up on some facts.
Posted by Machine
Earth
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:04 am to
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Autism is an epidemic now.

Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:06 am to
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The Hep B vaccine day 1 in the hospital bothers me


It saves lives

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On October 17, 2001, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) voted to recommend a birth dose of hepatitis B vaccine for all U. S. infants. (Only for infants of mothers whose HBsAg test is assured to be negative does ACIP now approve giving the first dose as late as two months of age.)
The following article is adapted from an open letter by Deborah L. Wexler, M.D., to ACIP, American Academy of Pediatrics, American Academy of Family Physicians, American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, National Medical Association, and other medical professional organizations.
The Immunization Action Coalition (IAC) urges all health professionals and hospitals to protect all infants from hepatitis B virus (HBV) infection by administering the first dose of hepatitis B vaccine to every infant at birth and no later than hospital discharge.

Approximately 19,000 women with chronic hepatitis B infection give birth in the United States each year. Ninety percent of perinatal infections can be prevented by postexposure prophylaxis given within 12 hours of birth. Tragically, many babies are exposed to HBV at birth but do not receive appropriate postexposure prophylaxis.

Because thimerosal has been removed from all pediatric hepatitis B vaccines in the United States, concerns about thimerosal should no longer be an obstacle for practitioners in enacting a universal birth dose policy.

Why is such a policy necessary? Following are some of the ways infants who are not vaccinated at birth become infected:

-The pregnant woman is tested and found to be hepatitis B surface antigen (HBsAg) positive, but her status is not communicated to the newborn nursery. The infant receives neither hepatitis B vaccine nor HBIG protection at birth.

-A chronically infected pregnant woman is tested but with the wrong test, HBsAb (antibody to hepatitis B surface antigen), instead of HBsAg. This is a common mistake since these two test abbreviations differ by only one letter. Her incorrectly ordered test result is "negative," so her doctor believes her infant does not need postexposure prophylaxis.

-The pregnant woman is HBsAg positive, but her test results are misinterpreted or mistranscribed into her prenatal record or her infant's chart. Her infant does not receive HBIG or hepatitis B vaccine.

-The pregnant woman is not tested for HBsAg either prenatally or in the hospital at the time of delivery. Her infant does not receive hepatitis B vaccine in the hospital, even though it is recommended within 12 hours of birth for infants whose mothers' test results are unknown.

-The woman is tested in early pregnancy for HBsAg and is found to be negative. She develops HBV infection later in pregnancy, but it is not detected, even though it is recommended by CDC that high-risk women be retested later in pregnancy. Because the infection is not clinically detected by her health care provider, her infant does not receive hepatitis B vaccine or HBIG at birth.

-The mother is HBsAg negative, but the infant is exposed to HBV postnatally from another family member or caregiver. This occurs in two-thirds of the cases of childhood transmission.

While there are advantages to giving the first dose at a later well-baby visit, these are advantages of administrative convenience. The primary advantage of giving the first dose at birth is that it saves lives.

IAC recently asked hepatitis coordinators at every state health department as well as at city and county CDC projects to express their views about providing hepatitis B vaccine in the hospital. Their responses contained many examples of children who were unprotected or inadequately protected due to health professionals not ordering, misordering, misinterpreting, mistranscribing, and miscommunicating the hepatitis B test results of the children's mothers.

These state coordinators' reports tell us that no matter how well health care providers think they are doing with HBsAg screening of all pregnant women, serious mistakes continue to occur; children are unnecessarily being exposed without the benefit of postexposure prophylaxis, and at least one baby has died. In order to overcome these failures, all 50 states overwhelmingly endorse providing a birth dose.

We must vaccinate every baby in the hospital prior to discharge regardless of the HBsAg status of the mother. For those providers who choose to use hepatitis B-containing combination vaccine, i.e., Comvax, they may do so. However, since this vaccine cannot be given at birth, monovalent hepatitis B vaccine must be given at birth and then the hepatitis B vaccine series can be completed with three doses of the combination vaccine. (Giving four doses of hepatitis B vaccine has been shown to be safe in several clinical studies.)

Hepatitis B vaccine is one of the most effective vaccines available. Studies have shown that infants of the most highly infectious mothers (women who are both HBsAg and HBeAg positive) who receive postexposure prophylaxis with hepatitis B vaccine alone (without HBIG) at birth are protected in 90–95% of cases, essentially the same level of protection afforded by administering hepatitis B vaccine in addition to HBIG. Even higher rates of protection with postexposure prophylaxis have been demonstrated in infants born to less infectious mothers (those who are HBsAg positive and HBeAg negative).

Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18645 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:09 am to
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I agree, Measles and Mumps cases are already on the rise with dumbass soccer moms not vaccinating their kids because they watched Dr. Oz. I sure don't want polio coming back.


How many kids are dying from these new mumps and measles outbreaks?
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
31308 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:11 am to
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But don't get your child vaccinated and risk him or her getting a disease that will kill them.


oh nooozz chickenpox gonna kill us all!
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18645 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:12 am to
Not one single link you provided refuted my points. Not a single one. I'm not sure you understand the scientific method and what an actual safety test/testing in general is.

Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:13 am to
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How many kids are dying from these new mumps and measles outbreaks?


Luckily no mortalities from the latest outbreaks, but it's only a matter of time.

Posted by Haughton99
Haughton
Member since Feb 2009
6125 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:14 am to
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How many kids are dying from these new mumps and measles outbreaks?


The fact that a disease has a low mortality rate makes you think it shouldn't be vaccinated against?

You serious?
Posted by Machine
Earth
Member since May 2011
6001 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:15 am to
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oh nooozz chickenpox gonna kill us all!

personification of ignorance
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