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US Marine captain writes stinging op-ed: 'We lost the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan'

Posted on 4/13/17 at 12:52 pm
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 4/13/17 at 12:52 pm
An active-duty US Marine captain wrote a stinging op-ed for the Marine Corps Gazette, going through all the problems he sees with the Department of Defense and the Marine Corps in addition to recent failures in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The biggest problem, according to Capt. Joshua Waddell, is "self-delusion."

"Let us first begin with the fundamental underpinnings of this delusion: our measures of performance and effectiveness in recent wars," he wrote. "It is time that we, as professional military officers, accept the fact that we lost the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan."

The active-duty infantry officer, who served with and lost Marines under his command with 3rd Battalion, 7th Marines, in Afghanistan, didn't come to this conclusion lightly. He said it took several years for him to accept that, with the goal of improving the system.

A case in point, he says, is a comparison of the US military with other adversaries.

The Pentagon's budget dwarfs the combined defense spending of the next 10 countries. The Army and Marine Corps are arguably the best-trained fighting forces in the world. The Air Force has the most high-tech aircraft and weaponry, while the Navy maintains nearly 20 aircraft carriers — far more than adversaries like Russia and China that have only one each.

These stats should mean the US military is unstoppable, but the budget, talk of being the best in the world, and other claims it makes don't square with measures of effectiveness, Waddell writes.

"How, then, have we been bested by malnourished and undereducated men with antiquated and improvised weaponry whilst spending trillions of dollars in national treasure and costing the lives of thousands of servicemen and hundreds of thousands of civilians?" he wrote.

Waddell continues:

"For example, a multibillion-dollar aircraft carrier that can be bested by a few million dollars in the form of a swarming missile barrage or a small unmanned aircraft system (UAS) capable of rendering its flight deck unusable does not retain its dollar value in real terms. Neither does the M1A1 tank, which is defeated by $20 worth of household items and scrap metal rendered into an explosively-formed projectile.

"The Joint Improvised Threat Defeat Organization has a library full of examples like these, and that is without touching the weaponized return on investment in terms of industrial output and capability development currently being employed by our conventional adversaries."

His article isn't just a critique; Waddell offers several solutions to get the military out of the "business-as-usual" mindset that looks good in PowerPoint briefs but doesn't translate to success on the ground.

While military leaders typically complain to Congress that constrained budgets have a "crippling" effect on the military, Waddell says the military should work more efficiently with the money it has. He gives an example of a nation already doing this: Russia."

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Ouch. More at the link.

No one should have any illusions -- our military basically sucks. It's purpose is not to win wars. It's purpose is to waste money.
Posted by PoundFoolish
East Texas
Member since Jul 2016
3724 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 12:54 pm to
Your threads suck.
Posted by okietiger13
From Sea to Shining Sea
Member since Jan 2007
10271 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 12:54 pm to
quote:

while the Navy maintains nearly 20 aircraft carriers


Lost me here.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
79338 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 12:55 pm to
omg he's a CUCK!
Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
Member since Sep 2010
20268 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 12:58 pm to
Loosen the ROE. Do not deploy unless willing to kill. End story.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48938 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 12:59 pm to
That dude is a war criminal....amirite????
This post was edited on 4/13/17 at 1:00 pm
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43478 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 1:00 pm to
Ya, because a fricking O-3 has the experience and visibility at the strategic level to be an authority on whether we won the war or not.

GTFO of here. And I say that as an O-3.
Posted by Walking the Earth
Member since Feb 2013
17260 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 1:01 pm to
It seems like we won the wars just fine.

The nation building part bit us in the arse.
Posted by CajunSoldier225
Member since Aug 2011
8990 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 1:02 pm to
Just so I understand, we're accepting defeat without placing any blame on our politicians sending us to war and not allowing us to fight a war with limited ROE?

It was solely on the amount of money we wasted!

Hold one. I'm calling my battle buddies to let them know the good news.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 1:05 pm to
Define victory.

/thread

(And I agree with the young Captain)
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
35702 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 1:17 pm to
quote:

our military basically sucks.
I disagree completely. And I disagree with the OP.

Our military is the greatest in the history of man. It's doing exactly what it was intended to do - save the establishment's arse with regime change in the Middle East without tipping off the sheople that this isn't some kind of freedom fight against terrorists.

This is all going according to the agenda: "multiple simultaneous wars" in the Middle East...AND SOUTHEAST ASIA
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20979 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 1:19 pm to
Officers shouldn't make political commentary.

Enlisted I have no problem with.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
73416 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 1:23 pm to
quote:

"It is time that we, as professional military officers, accept the fact that we lost the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan."


We didn't lose the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
53076 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 1:26 pm to
quote:

"For example, a multibillion-dollar aircraft carrier that can be bested by a few million dollars in the form of a swarming missile barrage or a small unmanned aircraft system (UAS) capable of rendering its flight deck unusable does not retain its dollar value in real terms.


Where has this happened?

quote:

Neither does the M1A1 tank, which is defeated by $20 worth of household items and scrap metal rendered into an explosively-formed projectile.


Again, where has this happened? I've heard about and seen videos of APC's and other infantry carriers being taken out by IED's, but haven't heard of the Abrams being taken out by one. Not saying it's never happened, just haven't heard or seen much about it if so.

quote:

While military leaders typically complain to Congress that constrained budgets have a "crippling" effect on the military, Waddell says the military should work more efficiently with the money it has


I do agree with this.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64666 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 1:27 pm to
quote:

our military basically sucks


Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 1:37 pm to
quote:

No one should have any illusions -- our military basically sucks.
No it doesn't and that's not his point.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35299 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 1:43 pm to
quote:

How, then, have we been bested by malnourished and undereducated men with antiquated and improvised weaponry whilst spending trillions of dollars in national treasure and costing the lives of thousands of servicemen and hundreds of thousands of civilians?" he wrote.


Simple. Our unwillingness to wage total war, and our ridiculous ROE. Oh we know there's a terrorist training camp here. But it's next to a hospital so we won't bomb it.

Uh no. You bomb the shite out of it. Regardless of what it's surrounded by.

Limited warfare is total and complete bullshite.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35577 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 1:47 pm to
We didn't lose the war in Iraq. We fricked up the occupation.
Posted by Lsuchs
Member since Apr 2013
8073 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 2:07 pm to
quote:

No one should have any illusions -- our military basically sucks. It's purpose is not to win wars. It's purpose is to waste money.


Aircraft Carriers and Tanks don't establish new regimes. They break existing ones

Military performed its job perfectly. Politicians didn't capitalize
This post was edited on 4/13/17 at 2:12 pm
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
40848 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 2:44 pm to
Those wars had been largely won. We only lost cause Obama pulled the troops out after first announcing a year in advance his attention to do so.
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