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Your periodic reminder what the actual reason for war in Syria is.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 4/5/17 at 12:02 pm
Let's dispense with the naivete here. So many questions and different theories on why there is a war is Syria. Is it because Assad was a brutal dictator? Is it because Chemical Weapons?
No.
If the reason for the war can be summed up in a single image, it is the below:
That's your TLDR.
Now for the details.
The Guardian from 2013: The real reason for the Syrian war, Oil
Remember way back when, the suddenness of the calls that "ASSAD MUST GO!" and how evil a dictator he was, when in the previous few years, no one gave a damn. Funny how refusing to allow a Saudi pipeline will change your importance in US foreign policy.
But let me back up. This is going to be a pretty concise timeline:
-Oil prices rise to unprecidented levels
-Europe realizes they get most of their oil and LNG from Russia due to existing infrastructure making it the cheapest to deliver.
-Alternate pipelines to feed Europe's thirst for oil are planned.
- Qatar-Turkey pipeline (Saudi pipeline)
- Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline (also known as Islamic pipeline)
- Nabucco pipeline (Azerbaijan-Iran-Turkey)
- South Stream (Russia-Black Sea-Bulgaria)
- Turkish Stream (Russia-Turkey)
-Russia buddies up with Turkey on a lot of these, which is problematic for both for a number of reasons. (I should point out that the only way the Turks lose in this scenario is if the Islamic pipeline is built. If they can make the war in Syria bad enough, but not piss off teh Russians, they get a pipeline from whoever wins.
-Europe wants an alternate to direct Russian supply.
-Saudi Arabia and the Sunni states are happy to replace Russian influence with their own.
-Propose Qatar-Turkey Pipeline, but must go through Syria.
-Assad refuses to approve QT pipeline through, instead wants Iran/Iraq/Syria pipeline because it's better for Russia (and worse for the Saudis, who they hate). Cue "ASSAD MUST GO, HE IS EVIL!"
-Saudis ask us and Europe for help to destroy Assad for this pipeline.
-the USA, EU, and Saudi Arabia start sending money and weapons to anyone in Syria who wants to fight Assad.
-Happens to be ISIS/Al Queda. Cue "JV squad, we don't need to worry about them" because of course, we're funding them.
-Assad decides the best way to fight us is to make our 'freedom fighters' horrors quite obviously worse than anything he's doing. Succeeds, thanks McCain.
-ISIS goes off script, possibly a translation error. Invades Iraq.
-frick, now they're our problem.
-Kurds DGAF, happy to be defacto independent.
-Turkey is just trying to make sure they are on the winning side. If Russia wins and they are allied, Russia builds pipeline through Turkey. If Saudis win and they are allied, Saudis build pipeline through Turkey. Only way they lose is to pick a side and it be the wrong one.
-Started at the bottom now we here.
No.
If the reason for the war can be summed up in a single image, it is the below:
That's your TLDR.
Now for the details.
The Guardian from 2013: The real reason for the Syrian war, Oil
quote:
The Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline plan was a "direct slap in the face" to Qatar's plans. No wonder Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan, in a failed attempt to bribe Russia to switch sides, told President Vladmir Putin that "whatever regime comes after" Assad, it will be "completely" in Saudi Arabia's hands and will "not sign any agreement allowing any Gulf country to transport its gas across Syria to Europe and compete with Russian gas exports", according to diplomatic sources. When Putin refused, the Prince vowed military action.
Remember way back when, the suddenness of the calls that "ASSAD MUST GO!" and how evil a dictator he was, when in the previous few years, no one gave a damn. Funny how refusing to allow a Saudi pipeline will change your importance in US foreign policy.
But let me back up. This is going to be a pretty concise timeline:
-Oil prices rise to unprecidented levels
-Europe realizes they get most of their oil and LNG from Russia due to existing infrastructure making it the cheapest to deliver.
-Alternate pipelines to feed Europe's thirst for oil are planned.
- Qatar-Turkey pipeline (Saudi pipeline)
- Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline (also known as Islamic pipeline)
- Nabucco pipeline (Azerbaijan-Iran-Turkey)
- South Stream (Russia-Black Sea-Bulgaria)
- Turkish Stream (Russia-Turkey)
-Russia buddies up with Turkey on a lot of these, which is problematic for both for a number of reasons. (I should point out that the only way the Turks lose in this scenario is if the Islamic pipeline is built. If they can make the war in Syria bad enough, but not piss off teh Russians, they get a pipeline from whoever wins.
-Europe wants an alternate to direct Russian supply.
-Saudi Arabia and the Sunni states are happy to replace Russian influence with their own.
-Propose Qatar-Turkey Pipeline, but must go through Syria.
-Assad refuses to approve QT pipeline through, instead wants Iran/Iraq/Syria pipeline because it's better for Russia (and worse for the Saudis, who they hate). Cue "ASSAD MUST GO, HE IS EVIL!"
-Saudis ask us and Europe for help to destroy Assad for this pipeline.
-the USA, EU, and Saudi Arabia start sending money and weapons to anyone in Syria who wants to fight Assad.
-Happens to be ISIS/Al Queda. Cue "JV squad, we don't need to worry about them" because of course, we're funding them.
-Assad decides the best way to fight us is to make our 'freedom fighters' horrors quite obviously worse than anything he's doing. Succeeds, thanks McCain.
-ISIS goes off script, possibly a translation error. Invades Iraq.
-frick, now they're our problem.
-Kurds DGAF, happy to be defacto independent.
-Turkey is just trying to make sure they are on the winning side. If Russia wins and they are allied, Russia builds pipeline through Turkey. If Saudis win and they are allied, Saudis build pipeline through Turkey. Only way they lose is to pick a side and it be the wrong one.
-Started at the bottom now we here.
This post was edited on 4/5/17 at 1:14 pm
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Posted on 4/5/17 at 12:06 pm to cokebottleag
What idiotic warmonger downvotes such an informative post?
Posted on 4/5/17 at 12:10 pm to cokebottleag
Well yeah, duh. 
Posted on 4/5/17 at 12:12 pm to SundayFunday
quote:
Well yeah, duh.
The information isn't exactly readily out there unless you choose to look. The vast majority of the headlines have been about the tactical situations, who shot who, etc. All of that is really just the tactics level or strategic level.
I'm trying to inform on the logistics level, which is rarely what gets discussed in the media.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 12:15 pm to cokebottleag
excellent post
Posted on 4/5/17 at 12:32 pm to SCLibertarian
quote:
What idiotic warmonger downvotes such an informative post?
Lots of people here see the world in black and white "you're with us or you're with EVIL PUTIN" and don't appreciate it when you point out inconvenient details and gray areas.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 12:40 pm to cokebottleag
DATE 2.1
This post was edited on 4/5/17 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 4/5/17 at 12:57 pm to cokebottleag
Virtually all wars are for similar reasons.
That's why the U.S. needs to stay out of ALL of them.
Unfortunately, the prevailing wisdom with the warmongers is that is the EXACT reason we need to be in all of them.
That's why the U.S. needs to stay out of ALL of them.
Unfortunately, the prevailing wisdom with the warmongers is that is the EXACT reason we need to be in all of them.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 1:06 pm to cokebottleag
What would that region look like if they never had oil? Would they still be fighting? Or would they have been allowed to fight until it was "over"?
These people need to fight. Fight it out of them. We have made so many advances as a society over centuries while they regress. We can't possibly wrap our heads around it. Kendall Jenner got shamed on twitter and a soda commercial got pulled. In their world she'd be stoned to death and thrown from a cliff, the Pepsi Company would be suicide bombed for running such an ad, and all who are seen drinking a Pepsi would have tongues cut out.
These people need to fight. Fight it out of them. We have made so many advances as a society over centuries while they regress. We can't possibly wrap our heads around it. Kendall Jenner got shamed on twitter and a soda commercial got pulled. In their world she'd be stoned to death and thrown from a cliff, the Pepsi Company would be suicide bombed for running such an ad, and all who are seen drinking a Pepsi would have tongues cut out.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 1:09 pm to cokebottleag
Whenever Globalists who get rich off of Globalism see a war that needs fighting to protect the prosperity of the Globalists, they can always count on the US military to shed the necessary blood, sweat and tears.
And our very own UniParty Globalists in FedGov are almost always happy to support their own pocketbooks by supporting the Globalist cause.
And our very own UniParty Globalists in FedGov are almost always happy to support their own pocketbooks by supporting the Globalist cause.
This post was edited on 4/5/17 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 4/5/17 at 1:10 pm to SCLibertarian
quote:
What idiotic warmonger downvotes such an informative post?
You know who
Oh yeah, every war in the ME is about oil.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 1:11 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:
Virtually all wars are for similar reasons.
That's why the U.S. needs to stay out of ALL of them.
Unfortunately, the prevailing wisdom with the warmongers is that is the EXACT reason we need to be in all of them.
Well, the problem is that the people in government believe like The Atlantic believes that the US's world police in promoting liberal western democracy hegemony worldwide has brought about the most peaceful and prosperous era the world has ever known. Until they all die in like 20-40 years, interventionism is going to be the order of the day.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 1:29 pm to LSU alum wannabe
quote:
What would that region look like if they never had oil? Would they still be fighting?
Oil was discovered in the 1850s.
"My sand! No, MY sand!" has been happening for all of recorded history.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 1:35 pm to cokebottleag
I've been screaming this for years.
Those goat frickers didn't give Crooked tens of millions of dollars because they actually like hearing that hag talk.
Those goat frickers didn't give Crooked tens of millions of dollars because they actually like hearing that hag talk.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 2:59 pm to Bestbank Tiger
quote:
Oil was discovered in the 1850s.
"My sand! No, MY sand!" has been happening for all of recorded history.
Of course fighting for land always has occurred. But what if that land had something the world had to have? Oil in the 1850's? Sure but it did not mean what it was going to mean globally yet.
I've said it many times. Just get out and let them all have at it. We are meddling. The oil will still flow. OPEC will see to that. I'm willing to pay a LOT per gallon for gas, if soldiers stop getting blown up patrolling shite holes.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 3:54 pm to Bestbank Tiger
quote:
"My sand! No, MY sand!" has been happening for all of recorded history.
That has been happening EVERYWHERE for recorded history. Not really sharing anything new
Posted on 4/5/17 at 3:55 pm to cokebottleag
Navytiger and Displaced Cuckeye must hate this
Posted on 4/5/17 at 3:58 pm to cokebottleag
Great Post m8
Posted on 4/5/17 at 4:04 pm to cokebottleag
Great post. Thanks for this.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 4:06 pm to cokebottleag
Yeah, the best, most cost-effective way to get a major infrastructure project done is to further destabilize an unstable region...that would make way more sense than just building a fricking LNG facility and just skipping all that shite. You people are so fricking stupid it sometimes makes me angry.
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