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re: 1/2 or 3/4 acre pond?

Posted on 4/1/17 at 9:26 pm to
Posted by sonoma8
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 4/1/17 at 9:26 pm to
My apoligies nascar, your pond is def a legend Im planning to mainly stock it with
Catfish. My grandfather had one back in the day and basically hand fed
Them fish food. I remember easily pulling 3-4lb channel cats out of there easily w hot dog weiners. Im not looking to build a self sustaining lake, just something my kids can fish in when I want fish for supper
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/1/17 at 9:28 pm to
Without getting too deep into this, calculate the amount of surface drainage available for your pond and plan its size accordingly. Most deep south areas need 7-10:1

You will honestly need to ensure that your entire parcel drains into this or you will be using supplemental water during the summer to keep your fish alive.

If you can capture some storm runoff from neighboring parcels then you will be better off and can plan accordingly.
Posted by sonoma8
Member since Oct 2006
7678 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 9:34 pm to
Thats info im looking for. So i basically need to slope most of the backyard towards the pond. Im guessing putting a small berm or small levee surrounding the pond would stop water flow after a rain?
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/1/17 at 9:47 pm to
Yes, but it is a bit more complicated than that with soil types playing a huge part as well.

You really will need to do a perk test and possibly haul some clay in, while a bit more expensive up front it saves years of aggravation IF it was needed in the first place.

Do your homework and don't just end up with a mudhole that only hold water 6 months a year. The NRCS is an excellent resourse for this.
Posted by highcotton2
Alabama
Member since Feb 2010
9496 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 10:02 pm to
quote:

you sould go with at least a 2 acre pond for what you want and make it 30 ft deep


I have never in my life seen a 2 acre pond that was 30' deep.

quote:

and put some crappie in there, don't want to forget about stocking those guys in it. hell if it was me I would just stock it with crappie and nothing else.


2 acre pond stocked with only crappie. Another epic fail.

I hope this advice is an April fools joke.
This post was edited on 4/1/17 at 10:07 pm
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
28505 posts
Posted on 4/2/17 at 12:26 am to
Big as you can afford.

But an extra 5k for another 1/4 acre sounds ridiculous to me. My dad did his entire 3/4 acre pond for 6k about 7 years ago.
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
28505 posts
Posted on 4/2/17 at 12:30 am to
Yeah crappie in a pond under 20 acres is a horrible idea. And even then, you better fish the hell out of it.
Posted by DownSouthDave
Beau, Bro, Baw
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 4/2/17 at 4:49 am to
quote:

Yeah crappie in a pond under 20 acres is a horrible idea. And even then, you better fish the hell out of it.


I've seen people say that they will take over, but I've never seen it. I have fished plenty of ponds with healthy populations of everything, including sacalait.

I've definitely never seen a pond overrun with sacalait. I'm not sure if I believe it.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 4/2/17 at 5:41 am to
quote:

I've definitely never seen a pond overrun with sacalait. I'm not sure if I believe it.

They either get overrun or suppressed. There's rarely a comfortable balance. They just don't normally do well, except in large lakes and river, oxbow systems. They either eat everything else, or something else eats all of them.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 4/2/17 at 7:40 am to
quote:

30 feet deep
Whoa...
Posted by Polar Pop
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 4/2/17 at 7:53 am to
10xd city
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 4/2/17 at 7:59 am to
Some friends of mine just built a pond by leveeing off a section of cypress swamp. It's really cool watching it develop. The bass and bream are going crazy and all sorts of other life finds its way into it from the swamp. Crawfish might be a problem.
Posted by Bow08tie
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2011
4245 posts
Posted on 4/2/17 at 9:20 am to
Yes
Posted by mack the knife
EBR
Member since Oct 2012
4189 posts
Posted on 4/2/17 at 9:21 am to
soil type is a MAJOR factor. you really want as much clay in the soil as possible. however, i have manged to fix a pond that wouldnt hold water bc of high silt content. let us know what your soil test says and i can offer some advice.
the micro pores in the soil cannot be mechanically altered but they can be chemically altered to help hold water.
if you are interested let me know.
Posted by sonoma8
Member since Oct 2006
7678 posts
Posted on 4/2/17 at 9:25 am to
Thanks mack, ill keep that in mind Ill update this as soon as ol boy starts digging. Hopefully it will be in the next couple of weeks
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 4/2/17 at 9:33 am to
I'd make it a pasture with cows. Cows get fat, sell them for profit...then flood yearly and harvest crawfish (sell for cash)

Drain in June...repeat process

With extra cash, buy more land for pond.
This post was edited on 4/2/17 at 11:31 am
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 4/2/17 at 9:45 am to
Tilling in a bit of bentonite usually helps out if it is not too bad.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
10658 posts
Posted on 4/2/17 at 10:51 am to
quote:

Yes

No

quote:

There are some pond building activities that may not require a Department of the Army permit. These include ponds for: ? farming or silviculture activities, ? “excavation only” ponds, and ? ponds constructed in upland areas that have no discharge into wetlands or streams.


quote:

If a stream or wetland within the jurisdiction of the Corps will be filled and/or impounded to create a pond, you need to contact the Corps about permit.


From the Corps website. And its Corps. Not corp.

TLDR: If you are excavating a pond, that does not impound a stream, and does not involve jurisdictional wetlands, and does not discharge into Waters of the United States, then you don't need to call the Corps. It is ridiculous for you to think that the Corps permits the tens of millions of cattle ponds and back yard ponds people have all over the country. You simply do not know what you are talking about

Posted by Mmackl1
Member since May 2011
234 posts
Posted on 4/2/17 at 1:31 pm to
Remember a soil test can take a couple of days to get results back on so make sure the guy who is digging it is aware so he doesn't try and charge you mobilization/down time etc.

Don't let him show up and then tell him you want to do a soil test.
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