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'This is the alt-right: Richard Spencer's horrifying abortion rant'
Posted on 3/30/17 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 3/30/17 at 2:28 pm
Came across this blog post through a podcast. Pretty good breakdown of how Richard Spencer and the alt-right's ideology is anti-conservative and anti-libertarian
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In the video, Spencer mused that Lahren might be the alt-right’s “hope,” since many conservatives have turned on her over the abortion issue—and, he couldn’t help but point out, she was blond. Spencer then launched into a monologue on abortion, which should forever silence those conservatives who feel the bizarre temptation to flirt with the alt-right and smash the asinine idea that any compatibility exists between these two ideologies:
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I think that some people who are…in the alt-right want to believe that the anti-abortion crusade is just inherently traditionalist, that it is about making women take responsibility for their children, that it’s going to make women become mothers whether they like it or not…I am a bit sceptical of this view that abortion would have inherently traditionalist consequences. I think when we think about abortion we often think about these careerist women who otherwise would be part of families but are instead having abortion out of pure selfishness and greed. The fact is that it isn’t like that. Those highly intelligent career women will have abortions on occasion, but to be honest they’re using contraception and they’re avoiding pregnancy, is what they’re doing…The people who are having abortions are generally very often black or Hispanic or [people] from very poor circumstances, to be honest.
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In case you missed it, Spencer can’t be opposed to abortion in all circumstances because he quite likes the idea that a lot of African Americans and Hispanics are having abortions. This is a common idea on the alt-right—Alymer Fisher wrote a long column warning his fellow alt-righters against succumbing to “the pro-life temptation” for precisely this reason. It’s not families we care about, he warned—it’s white families.
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And so the anti-abortion crusade becomes this ‘human rights’ crusade. And if you look at the writing of people like Ramesh Ponnuru (of National Review) it is directly associated with this…that every being that is human has a right to life and so on. Well that’s not how we think as identitarians, to be honest. You are part of a community, you’re part of a family, you’re part of a collective. (Emphasis added by TN Bhoy) You do not have some human right, some abstract thing give to you by God or by the world or something like that. You’re part of a community and that’s where you gain your meaning or your rights. (Emphasis added by TN Bhoy) The anti-abortion crusade is often associated with family, the traditional family, but to be honest it’s descended into not just a human rights dogma but a kind of dysgenic “we are the world” dogma.
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The most popular propaganda line for the pro-life movement is about “black genocide,” how this is “destroying black communities” and indeed is a racist plot by Margaret Sanger and so on. This gets to something that I think is a bigger point, and that is that the alt-right or identitarians, we can’t think about these issues in this kind of good or evil binary. We actually have to think about an issue like abortion…in a complicated manner, something that that issue deserves. Lothrop Stoddard talked about contraception, not so much abortion but contraception, as a potentially world-changing—for the good—technology, or something that could change the world for the worse. In a way he was absolutely right and I think contraception has to a large degree changed the world for the worse. Intelligent people will engage in family planning because they naturally have long time horizons, they think ahead. They aren’t just going to go run and have sex with someone without a condom and get them pregnant and so on…In a way, contraception has been terribly dysgenic in the sense that it is only the smart people that really use it. Smart people are not using abortion as birth control. Smart people are using abortion when you have a situation like Down Syndrome or you have a situation where the health of the mother is at risk. I would say that it is the unintelligent and blacks and Hispanics who use abortion as birth control, as a kind of late-term birth control
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Lothrop Stoddard, in case you were wondering, is a long-dead eugenicist and Klansman who felt that “coloured people” posed a danger to “white civilization,” and is now resurrected so that neo-Nazis like Spencer can fangirl him. When Spencer does have a problem with abortion, as with contraception, it’s only because the wrong people are using it. White people, apparently, are so smart they’re not replacing their own population, which is of great concern to those obsessed with the promulgation of certain pigmentations
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We need to recognize this potential for both good and evil or good and bad within contraception itself, that this is something that can be a great boon for our people, for our race, or it can be a great detriment. Contraception has been a great detriment because precisely the people who shouldn’t be using it are using it. We want smart people to have more children. I sometimes want smart people to be a little more reckless. Don’t plan. Don’t use a condom. What I’m saying basically is the abortion issue is just a much more complicated issue than this kind of “good or evil” binary that the pro-life movement and the Christian movement want to use. We need to be more adult than they are.
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We should recognize that the pro-life movement—this is not the alt-right, this has nothing in common with identitarians, and I think we should be genuinely suspicious of people who think in terms of human rights and who are interested in adopting African children and bringing them to this country and who get caught up on this issue. We want to be a movement about families, about life in a deep sense, not just “rights” but truly great life, and greatness, and beautiful, flourishing, productive families. We want to be eugenic in the deepest sense of the word. Pro-lifers want to be radically dysgenic, egalitarian, multi-racial human rights thumpers—and they’re not us.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 2:32 pm to TN Bhoy
I agree with him on this issue, but not for racial reasons.
I used to be pro-life, but I realized abortion is a check on the dregs of society - of all races.
Freakonomics has a great chapter on this.
I used to be pro-life, but I realized abortion is a check on the dregs of society - of all races.
Freakonomics has a great chapter on this.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 2:33 pm to TN Bhoy
I agree with him 100%. We'd already be fricked demographically without abortions
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 3/30/17 at 2:33 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Freakonomics has a great chapter on this.
You're aware that one of the authors repudiated that chapter, right?
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 3/30/17 at 2:33 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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I realized abortion is a check on the dregs of society - of all races.
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We'd already be fricked demographically without abortions
Homicide serves the same purpose. Why not legalize that too?
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 2:35 pm to SirWinston
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We'd already be fricked demographically without abortions
Why not just advocate for killing all the poors and people who have been convicted of crimes?
Posted on 3/30/17 at 2:35 pm to TN Bhoy
Libertarianism is less government. Pro-choice is less government when it comes to abortion. Libertarians should be pro-choice unless they actually believe a fetus being aborted is murder.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 2:36 pm to TN Bhoy
We need to take poors and feed them to other poors.
2 problems solved
2 problems solved
Posted on 3/30/17 at 2:37 pm to AggieDub14
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Libertarians should be pro-choice unless they actually believe a fetus being aborted is murder.
Which Rand Paul does thus explaining why he is Pro Life.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 2:37 pm to AggieDub14
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 2:38 pm to AggieDub14
Did you miss the whole collectivism stuff that he was pushing?
This thread isn't about abortion; it's about how the alt-right is leftist.
This thread isn't about abortion; it's about how the alt-right is leftist.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 2:38 pm to Tiguar
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We need to take poors and feed them to other poors.
2 problems solved
Posted on 3/30/17 at 2:39 pm to TN Bhoy
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 2:39 pm to The Baker
you didn't even read past the first sentence of my post. Not everyone thinks abortion is murder. There is no definite answer for when life begins. If you think it's at conception, then you should hold candle light vigils constantly to mourn all the fertilized eggs that pass through a woman's reproductive system without attaching to her uterus. The liberty of the pro-choice movement is that a woman can choose what happens in her lady parts.
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 2:39 pm to TN Bhoy
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Richard Spencer
This guy sucks. He's the Bernie Sanders of the right
Posted on 3/30/17 at 2:39 pm to TN Bhoy
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Do you want more poors, white trash and ghetto hoodrats running and making a mess of things?
Are more crime waves after crime wave perfectly acceptable to you if abortion was illegal?
Posted on 3/30/17 at 2:40 pm to TN Bhoy
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 2:40 pm to TN Bhoy
It may not be politically correct, but he's right. Hispanic and African American women pop out ten children just to get welfare and a new Gucci purse.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 2:42 pm to Sentrius
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Do you want more poors, white trash and ghetto hoodrats running and making a mess of things?
As long as they claim to be members of the Church of Rome, he's fine with it.
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