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re: Michael Lombardi reporting that NE want #11 for Butler
Posted on 3/19/17 at 11:46 am to Sauce Castieaux
Posted on 3/19/17 at 11:46 am to Sauce Castieaux
Damn this sht.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 11:49 am to LuzianaFootball
Just to clear it up, Lombardi isn't saying that NE wants to trade Butler for #11
He's saying the only way the saints can get MB is to sign him to an offer sheet and give up #11 because it is against league rules to negotiate a trade for players that aren't under contract and so the only way a trade would happen would be MB to sign his tender and then the Pats can negotiate a trade from there or keep him for 3 mil
If you think he's a legit Pats mouthpiece (I don't), then you could argue he's covering BBs tracks in the media to avoid repercussions from bending the rule against negotiating trades for unsigned RFAs.
Or you can just see it as him making a loud statement in order to gain attention and then backtracking to cover his arse later on.
He's saying the only way the saints can get MB is to sign him to an offer sheet and give up #11 because it is against league rules to negotiate a trade for players that aren't under contract and so the only way a trade would happen would be MB to sign his tender and then the Pats can negotiate a trade from there or keep him for 3 mil
If you think he's a legit Pats mouthpiece (I don't), then you could argue he's covering BBs tracks in the media to avoid repercussions from bending the rule against negotiating trades for unsigned RFAs.
Or you can just see it as him making a loud statement in order to gain attention and then backtracking to cover his arse later on.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 11:50 am to LuzianaFootball
Give them the 32nd or walk away. We can easily pick up a CB at 32. 11 100% needs to be pass rushing help. I'm so tired of seeing quaterbacks sit in the pocket and pick us apart. What's the point of having Brees put up 28 if our defense gives up 30? The front office better not frick this up. Pick the best available players at our position of need at those 2 spots.....not the person with the most potential, the person with immediate impact.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 11:51 am to LSUZombie
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There are not 11 players in this draft better than Butler and it's a position of need for the Saints. That said, they would absolutely miss on a pass rusher which they can't afford to do
I'm glad you brought this up. The real question is, is there a team that would draft a 27 year old corner back, that will be matched up against #2 receivers more than #1's and will cost 13 million a year, in the first round?
Posted on 3/19/17 at 11:52 am to LSUZombie
You really don't understand the business side of this do you? The 11th pick would be a really good, young player on the cheap. Butler is good, older player that's gonna tie up salary
Posted on 3/19/17 at 11:53 am to djrunner
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He wouldn't go top 5.
Of course he would, but okay
This post was edited on 3/19/17 at 11:54 am
Posted on 3/19/17 at 11:54 am to djrunner
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I'm glad you brought this up. The real question is, is there a team that would draft a 27 year old corner back, that will be matched up against #2 receivers more than #1's and will cost 13 million a year, in the first round?
Depends if that team is in Win-Now mode and needs players who can contribute immediately to make this team a playoff contender
This post was edited on 3/19/17 at 11:55 am
Posted on 3/19/17 at 11:55 am to Sauce Castieaux
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The more I keep reading, the more I believe he has no idea what he is talking about.
He doesn't.
And that's why he started saying Sherman would be a good fit here, even though NO ONE else made that connection.
NE knows they'd never ever get 11. EVERYONE else said 11 is not on the table. And talk is that 32 may not even be the pick (though opinion seems divided on whether it's 32 or 42 plus another pick or two).
Plus if it was for 11 we'd just sign him to an offer sheet without the need for a trade, which is why this is even more bullshite.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 11:55 am to SaintEB
We are dumb enough to do it
Posted on 3/19/17 at 11:57 am to msstate7
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You really don't understand the business side of this do you?
Cute
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The 11th pick would be a really good, young player on the cheap.
So it's a sure thing the #11 pick will be really good? Because last I check it takes rookies time to develop and nothing is guaranteed in the draft.
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Butler is good, older player that's gonna tie up salary
Butler isn't good, he's really good. He's 27 and the team is in win-now mode and can't wait on players to develop. May as well draft the heir to Brees at 11
Posted on 3/19/17 at 11:58 am to djrunner
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I'm glad you brought this up. The real question is, is there a team that would draft a 27 year old corner back, that will be matched up against #2 receivers more than #1's and will cost 13 million a year, in the first round?
That said CB wouldn't already have 3 years under his belt thus it would be ridiculous to give him 13 million a year. Butler is a proven commodity, the scenario you just made he would not be.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 12:02 pm to LSUZombie
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More than likely top 5, so if you truly believe he is a premiere shutdown corner
Nope. No corner is shutdown in this league now, and Talib is the only one you can put close.
Butler MAY be a top 5 corner, but I'd put him more top 10. He is not elite and again no one is shut down.
He's a very good number one corner. In the second tier of corners in the league.
This post was edited on 3/19/17 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 3/19/17 at 12:03 pm to Sauce Castieaux
1. Proven commodity
2. Position of need
3. Win now mode
That's all I'm saying.
I don't see any scenario where we give up #11, but if we for some reason did and Butler was an allpro next year, I'd get over it.
2. Position of need
3. Win now mode
That's all I'm saying.
I don't see any scenario where we give up #11, but if we for some reason did and Butler was an allpro next year, I'd get over it.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 12:09 pm to Sauce Castieaux
I have the solution, we just give them our 11 and our 32 and they give us hightower and butler and their 4th rd pick this year along with their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks for 2018
Posted on 3/19/17 at 12:11 pm to hsfolk
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the only difference is a 5th year option
And in this league that is a huge difference.
Draft picks in rounds 2-7 get 4 year deals, which means they don't become RFAs at the end of their rookie deals. You either sign them long term (assuming they want to stay) or tag them if you want to keep them.
Getting a 5th year at a discount out of a player that should be talented is a HUGE boon.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 12:12 pm to keakar
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I have the solution, we just give them our 11 and our 32 and they give us hightower and butler and their 4th rd pick this year along with their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks for 2018
Posted on 3/19/17 at 12:17 pm to bonethug0108
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And in this league that is a huge difference.
Draft picks in rounds 2-7 get 4 year deals, which means they don't become RFAs at the end of their rookie deals. You either sign them long term (assuming they want to stay) or tag them if you want to keep them.
Getting a 5th year at a discount out of a player that should be talented is a HUGE boon.
well to be fair, that was in reference to the picking order in draft choices ONLY and not meant as far as contracts go. the contract situation and 5th year options are a separate matter and have nothing to do with who you get to pick from with that pick so in that sense picking 32 vs picking 33 is not much difference at all as far as player choices you have to pick from.
in contractual situations and 5th year options on those contracts, then yes there is a HUGE difference in 32 vs 33
This post was edited on 3/19/17 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 3/19/17 at 12:20 pm to bonethug0108
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Plus if it was for 11 we'd just sign him to an offer sheet without the need for a trade, which is why this is even more bullshite.
Read all of his tweets. This is the arguement he's making. Just a flashy headline
Posted on 3/19/17 at 12:21 pm to keakar
That could be the difference between getting the guy you want and missing out by one pick.
Also player and contract aside 32 is also a HUGE boon for trading back and getting more picks for better value than you otherwise would get, because it is the LAST chance to get a player with the 5th year. Teams give up prime picks in trade for that.
Also player and contract aside 32 is also a HUGE boon for trading back and getting more picks for better value than you otherwise would get, because it is the LAST chance to get a player with the 5th year. Teams give up prime picks in trade for that.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 12:25 pm to wildtigercat93
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Read all of his tweets. This is the arguement he's making. Just a flashy headline
Yeah I saw that after I posted.
But this happens all the time with RFAs so nothing need be said.
Like you said, he's running his mouth just to run it. Gotta get those clicks.
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