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re: Our fans complete overvalue our Program (Crean related)
Posted on 3/17/17 at 10:24 am to lsupride87
Posted on 3/17/17 at 10:24 am to lsupride87
You didn't have to do him like that
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 10:34 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:Have to disagree. There is A&M and Houston to the west. Arkansas to the north and Memphis, Ole Miss and Miss. State to the East. You may not consider the Mississippi schools relevant but they sure have beaten LSU a bunch over the last ten years. They probably don't consider LSU relevant. Then there are all the small schools that, unlike football, manage to recruit some top players now and then. Western Kentucky ring a bell?
There's LSU and then no one else of relevance within a 5 to 6 hour drive of Baton Rouge, and those schools of relevance aren't even that relevant.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 10:38 am to lsupride87
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is supposed to be 4x the sweet 16s
Look how at the beginning of the sentence, i say double the final 4s......
It was clear I mean sweet 16s, as I progressed from final 4, to elite 8 etc
But thanks for being a dick
Being a dick? I didnt call you a dumbass or make a personal attack. I actually asked if you didn't mean to post that.
But thanks for being delicate.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 10:40 am to Tiger1988
quote:
Love how you went to 1990
What? Historically and since 1990 Indiana has easily been a better basketball program than lsu.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 10:40 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:I know. I chose 1990 to help LSU out actually
What? Historically and since 1990 Indiana has easily been a better basketball program than lsu.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 10:40 am to lsupride87
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ESPN top 100 recruits for 2012-2016
State of Indiana- 21
State of Louisiana- 9
Considering how basketball recruiting tends to be more nationwide than local, this is a useless argument. And in the case of Indiana under the watch of Crean, there has been like only one recruiting class that featured near exclusively Indiana homegrown players.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 10:41 am to lsupride87
You didn't even bother reading the entire post. My points supported most of what you said in multiple posts you have made.
I used the 80's as a reference for those fans that remember when LSU was at its best and stated the obvious that recruiting has nothing to do with getting instate talent. Also, fans expectations on here are really hilarious because very few on here know what it's like to actually negotiate a multi million dollar contract.
One comment about Orgeron was spot on tho and how Alleva screwed that up. I don't blame them for not trusting him.
LSU is NEVER going to be IU in basketball because them like Nova, Diuke and U.K. are basketball schools.
I used the 80's as a reference for those fans that remember when LSU was at its best and stated the obvious that recruiting has nothing to do with getting instate talent. Also, fans expectations on here are really hilarious because very few on here know what it's like to actually negotiate a multi million dollar contract.
One comment about Orgeron was spot on tho and how Alleva screwed that up. I don't blame them for not trusting him.
LSU is NEVER going to be IU in basketball because them like Nova, Diuke and U.K. are basketball schools.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 10:44 am to c on z
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Considering how basketball recruiting tends to be more nationwide than local, this is a useless argument
Well thats not true. If you have a bunch of top 100 recruits in state there is a far better chance those top 100 recruits grew up wanting to play for the in state school.
This post was edited on 3/17/17 at 10:44 am
Posted on 3/17/17 at 10:46 am to c on z
quote:Once again, an even bigger negative for LSU and Crean.
Considering how basketball recruiting tends to be more nationwide than local, this is a useless argument.
If you want to claim recruiting for bball is national, than IU has an even bigger advantage over LSU there
Posted on 3/17/17 at 10:48 am to Tom Bronco
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Have to disagree. There is A&M and Houston to the west.
Both aren't that relavent, and are 5 hours away, just like I said.
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Arkansas to the north and Memphis
Arkansas is far as frick, and Memphis is 6 hours away.
Did you not get the point I was making? there are no schools of relevance inside of a 5 hour drive of LSU. NONE. 5-6 hours away are a few schools no better than LSU, like A&M, Ole Piss, MSU, Bama, Auburn.
Indiana has at least 7 schools within 2 hours of them that are basketball schools.
Are you seeing the difference?
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Then there are all the small schools that, unlike football, manage to recruit some top players now and then. Western Kentucky ring a bell?
Western Kentucky isnt' any where near LSU and ther's obviously something shady going on there, and LSU isn't losing kids to ULL, or Nichols, or UNO.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 10:51 am to Tom Bronco
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3. Give us back to back tournaments, then have a bad year, get back in the tournament but then have a really talented, highly rated team that beats powerhouses early in the season but doesn't make the tournament. You don't think the negatigers would be out in force howling for blood?
Nobody cares about people "howling for blood" on the internet. Joe Alleva would not fire him, nor would the influential boosters even want him fired, if he got the same results at LSU that he got at IU.
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2. How does more money (aside from facilities and coaches) mean more wins, siince we aren't supposed to be paying our players?
Well, facilities and coaches are pretty important, so I'm not sure why you're taking them out of the equation. Also, players do get paid stipends, etc., and there's every possibility that this trend will continue and grow. The schools that have the most money are and will continue to be in the best position to take advantage. There is very high correlation, albeit not a perfect one, between money and success in college athletic departments. It may be debatable which causes which, but I don't think any coach anywhere would rather the department he works for have less money or that it not have more.
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1. Weaker but not dramatically weaker.
Well, that's a matter of opinion, but in any case, the SEC is weaker.
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Then there is the problem of keeping your players motivated in games they are supposed to win.
Isn't that always the case no matter where you're coaching?
This post was edited on 3/17/17 at 10:54 am
Posted on 3/17/17 at 10:55 am to Tiger1988
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I used the 80's as a reference for those fans that remember when LSU was at its best and stated the obvious that recruiting has nothing to do with getting instate talent
What?
Recent LSU final four teams
1981 top players
Rudy Macklin- Ky
Ethan Martin-LA
Leonard Mitchell-LA
Howard Carter-LA
1986 Top players
Redden- LA
Wilson- LA
Taylor- LA
Williams- CA
2006 top players
Big Baby- LA
Temple-LA
Thomas- LA
Mitchel- LA
This post was edited on 3/17/17 at 10:56 am
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:02 am to tigerborderjumper
quote:Well, we dont see past failure as a predictor of future performance.
I don't see why some fans are going gaga over a coach that just got fired.
shite, we hired Cam Cameron, Gary Crowton, and Ed Orgeron. I say we give this guy the keys and let him take it around the block.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:10 am to Tiger1988
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LSU is NEVER going to be IU in basketball because them like Nova, Diuke and U.K. are basketball schools.
I understand what you are saying, but just for reference, LSU has only one less Final Four appearances in their history than Villanova.
Duke, UNC, Kentucky, IU, are always going to put a higher priority on basketball than most schools. However, that doesn't mean a place like LSU couldn't ever be a basketball powerhouse. Just like the football program when Saban arrived in 1999, two of the biggest pieces are in place (money and a fertile talent pool). It just takes commitment by the AD and hiring the right guy. There was NOTHING that suggested Johnny Jones would be that guy. Anyone with any sense knew the day of Jones' hiring was nothing more than the beginning of a 4-5 year waste of time. LSU wasn't ever going to be a championship program under him.
Florida had very little history (aside from one good run by Lon Kruger in '94) prior to Donovan. It's now looked as a potential championship program year in and year out. Same for Arizona who had virtually ZERO basketball history before hiring Lute Olson. When Wisconsin hired Dick Bennett in 1995, the had been to exactly one NCAAT tournament in the previous ~50 years. Since that time they have been to 20 NCAAT, including 19 in a row! The right hire took a nothing program and made it a perennial powerhouse that's now spanned 3 coaches.
The attitude of "we will never be more than mediocre" ensures only one thing: that you will never be more than mediocre!
LSU needs someone at the top who had confidence in his program. The AD should be out there telling everyone who will listen that LSU is a sleeping giant with the SECN pouring in and a fertile recruiting ground (last I checked, LA, TX, MS, etc are all located in the same place for basketball recruiting as they are for football). Sadly, we are stuck with Joe Alleva
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:34 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:I get your point, I just disagreed with it. My point is that it is not how far away a school is but whether they recruit Louisiana and do we recruit their states and local players. Obviously all of those schools do recruit Louisiana and let's see LSU players from Mississippi - Chris Jackson, Johnny O'Bryant and I am sure lots more. Of the top 50 2017 recruits - 1 is from LA, 2 from MS and 3 from TX. So to be successful you will be recruiting primarily from those three states and the schools I named will be your competition and despite what you think they are all higher on the desirable basketball rung than we are.
Did you not get the point I was making? there are no schools of relevance inside of a 5 hour drive of LSU. NONE. 5-6 hours away are a few schools no better than LSU, like A&M, Ole Piss, MSU, Bama, Auburn.
Indiana has at least 7 schools within 2 hours of them that are basketball schools.
Are you seeing the difference?
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Then there are all the small schools that, unlike football, manage to recruit some top players now and then. Western Kentucky ring a bell?
Western Kentucky isnt' any where near LSU and ther's obviously something shady going on there, and LSU isn't losing kids to ULL, or Nichols, or UNO.
As for the small schools in Louisiana, Mississippi and Texas, I am sure I could find five players that I would want to be on LSU. If you don't believe that then you have a highly inflated view of our talent level. If nothing else look at the abysmal level of our bench players and lack of depth.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:35 am to lsupride87
Your mistake is to assume that we expect him to recreate the Indiana program in Baton Rouge, which is utterly and patently ridiculous.
The only result one can expect is that Crean would build up our program and put us on a trajectory of success, re-establishing the LSU basketball brand.
Crean is a mature, veteran, but not aged, coach, with a strong resume, immediate availability, no buyout and a prospectively low bar relative to salary requirement, who has contemporarily demonstrated a penchant for rebuilding basketball programs at the
highest and most demanding level.
He could not possibly be better suited for this particular job.
The only result one can expect is that Crean would build up our program and put us on a trajectory of success, re-establishing the LSU basketball brand.
Crean is a mature, veteran, but not aged, coach, with a strong resume, immediate availability, no buyout and a prospectively low bar relative to salary requirement, who has contemporarily demonstrated a penchant for rebuilding basketball programs at the
highest and most demanding level.
He could not possibly be better suited for this particular job.
This post was edited on 3/17/17 at 11:36 am
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:35 am to blackmouthcur
quote:Well if he doesnt, he will be fired.
Your mistake is to assume that we expect him to recreate the Indiana program in Baton Rouge, which is utterly and patently ridiculous.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:36 am to lsupride87
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Not really. Sure, our schedule is easier, but it is made even with the fact our conference isnt as respected, so we get far fewer teams in every year.
but if you mow through the SEC and win a big OOC game or 2, you're undoubtedly in
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:40 am to cas4t
quote:Sure. I would say the ease of making the tourney in the Big 10 or SEC is even though
but if you mow through the SEC and win a big OOC game or 2, you're undoubtedly in
Easier road in the sec, but more respect and teams get in in the big 10
I think they offset each other IMHO
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:48 am to lsupride87
Nobody wants anybody. Should have just stuck with JJ.
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