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1969 football season final rankings

Posted on 3/15/17 at 4:31 am
Posted by Aussietigerfan
Sydney, Australia
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 3/15/17 at 4:31 am
Bit of a random topic here guys but I would appreciate any genuine responses. After watching the movie "My all American". I decided to look more into the story of the 1969 season.

After a quick read I noticed how Texas were announced National Champions after beating at the time #2 Arkansas. President Nixon even awarded UT as national champions after the game even though they were still yet to play their bowl game against Notre Dame. This obviously caused a massive blow up especially from penn state were also undefeated at the time. Now the reason I'm posting this because I noticed LSU finished the season with a 9-1 record, with their only loss being at Ole miss (23-26) who eventually finished the season as sugar bowl champions, ranked 8th (ap poll) and they finished with a 8-3 record.

LSU however with one of the most impressive records in the country finished the season ranked 10th and they also didn't even play in a bowl game?
Just curious how come LSU would be ranked behind 2 and 3 loss teams with an impressive record? And why they didn't play in a bowl game? Seeing as president Nixon awarded UT prior to their bowl game, was rankings often considered crooked?
Posted by tjohn deaux
GA
Member since Feb 2007
10179 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 4:38 am to
Nixon hates LSU
Posted by Aussietigerfan
Sydney, Australia
Member since May 2015
2318 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:00 am to
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tjohn deaux


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Posted by TheBaker
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2004
4357 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:07 am to
No. LSU turned down several bowl games (including the Sugar I believe) because they were in line to play the winner of that Texas/Arkansas game for the NC. Well, Notre Dame decided to cease their own rule to not play the in bowl games and, of course, the cotton bowl jumped all over that. This left LSU out to dry as there were no bowl games left available. Hence, LSU fans HATE Notre Dame to this day.
Posted by dietcoke7
LA
Member since Aug 2007
1071 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:16 am to
LSU was clearly superior to the Ole Miss team they lost too. Mike Hillman from Lockport the QB. Archie Manning beat LSU. Notre Dame had multiple losses that year but since they ended their policy to never play in a bowl game, LSU got left out and would not play in a minor bowl. Still hate Notre Dame.
Posted by tigger1
Member since Mar 2005
3477 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:23 am to
National Championship at that time were awarded before Bowl games.

Bowl games were a reward for a good season.

This is why I still tell everyone the playoff system in college starts the first game of the season, every game counts in that system.

This is also why teams not winning their conference should not be in the playoffs under the old bcs and the new system.
Posted by Aussietigerfan
Sydney, Australia
Member since May 2015
2318 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:36 am to
Thanks for the responses. What a disappointing end to the season. However I still think being ranked 10th is a bit rough when Ohio state finished 4th without playing in a bowl game either..
Posted by TexasTiger89
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2005
24479 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:42 am to
quote:

LSU fans HATE Notre Dame
Posted by Pilot Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2005
73181 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:44 am to
quote:

National Championship at that time were awarded before Bowl games
The AP actually starting awarding their NC after bowl games starting the year prior

LSU was very much still alive for the NC
Posted by Good Times
Hill top in Tn
Member since Nov 2007
23553 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 6:06 am to
69 was a hell of a defense. Hillman, a lefty, played a great game, but Archie drove them down the field, with short throws for the winning score.


Geaux to Hell Ole Miss, Geaux to Hell.

Geaux to Hell Notre Dame, Geaux to Hell.

When y'all get there, tell Nixon and Bear Bryant that I said GFY.
Posted by Pickslimmons
Member since Nov 2015
414 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:03 am to
Don't get me started, I remember it like it was yesterday. If not for Archie Manning doing his "SuperManning" act, LSU goes 10-0! Then, at 9-1, LSU gets kicked to the curb because Noterfreaking Dame decides to end their self imposed bowl ban. Best team Cholly Mac ever had and they would've definitely beaten Texas in the Cotton Bowl. I'm still pissed.
Posted by MetryTyger
Metro NOLA, LA
Member since Jan 2004
15609 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:48 am to
Actually, LSU had accepted an 'unofficial' invite to play #1 Texas in the Cotton Bowl. That game was apparently going to happen, and LSU's maneating #1 ranked defense would have stopped Texas.
LSU may have actually had a chance to win it all had that game happened.

Then, Notre Dame decided to end its over 40 year moratorium on playing in bowl games and the Cotton Bowl officials quickly offered 2 loss and lower ranked Notre Dame over 1 loss and higher ranked LSU, after all but formally inviting the Tigers.

As a show of defiant unity, the LSU coaches and players, though offered the Astro-Bluebonnet Bowl, decided to turn down any other bowl offers and stay home.

Only a 4th down and goal potential winning TD pass to TE Bill Stober that was tipped away in the Ole Miss end zone at the last second on Nov. 1 in Jackson prevented LSU from a 10-0 season. Had Mac kicked the tying FG, 9-0-1 LSU would still have undoubtedly been picked over Notre Dame.

Ironically, LSU played Notre Dame the next 2 seasons, losing 0-3 in South Bend in 1970 and destroying them 28-8 in BR in 1971, throwing a TD pass near the end of the game to boot...

Curiously, LSU had enjoyed huge success in Dallas in the 60's, winning 2 Cotton Bowls in upsetting then #1 Arkansas 14-7 and also Texas 13-0, and of course bringing a huge contingent of traveling Tigers.

It was the ultimate snub by the Cotton Bowl committee, and LSU wouldn't play in that bowl again until 2002.
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 8:56 am
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36703 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:48 am to
lots of myths about that 1969 team. As for Texas being announced "National Champions" after the Arkansas game, that was for the UPI poll that continued to announce its champion prior to the bowls through the 1973 season.

At least Texas did play in a bowl. They only moved up to #1 two weeks earlier when then #1 Ohio State was upset by Michigan, 24-12 in their season finale. Because of some weird,archaic "no repeat" rule, had Ohio State won the Michigan game and completed its season unbeaten, they would NOT have been eligible for the Rose Bowl since they played in it the prior season as conference champion.

One problem that LSU team had was it was unable to surge in the polls. There was quite a list of "who's who" from that era that started the season ranked higher than LSU and never really faltered: Ohio State, Texas,Southern Cal, Penn State to name a few.

There were only 4 "major bowls" and the Rose Bowl had an exclusive tie in with the Pac-8 and the Big 10 representative. The Cotton Bowl had the SWC Champion as one of its teams. In mid-November it appeared Penn State would go unbeaten again and Texas' Darrell Royal talked to Joe Paterno encouraging him to choose the Cotton for a NC game of sorts. Paterno felt that Ohio State was invincible and chose a return trip to Miami for the Orange.

The Sugar Bowl offered LSU a bid,but LSU was under the impression they would go to the Cotton and told the Sugar they'd discuss it.(The Sugar was deemed sort of the 4th of the Major bowls as ABC's payout was less than NBC's for the Rose and Orange as well as CBS's for the Cotton.) Along the way Notre Dame announced it would entertain a bowl bid for the first time since a trip to the Rose Bowl in the 20's. Evidently whomever in Dallas representing the Cotton who was talking to LSU didn't have that much power and the Irish were chosen.

LSU went back to the Sugar but the Sugar said sorry,too late and chose Ole Miss and the Texas-Arkansas loser. The Sun and Bluebonnet offered LSU bids,but LSU declined.Ironically, two seasons earlier the Sugar selected LSU who was only 4-3-1 the day they were selected before finishing the '67 season 6-3-1.

Oddly enough LSU's #8 ranking was as high as a stay at #8 for the 1968 LSU team that finished 8-3.
Posted by MetryTyger
Metro NOLA, LA
Member since Jan 2004
15609 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 9:03 am to
That's right! Crap, forgot about the Sugar Bowl offer and then un-offer!
Posted by bellewr
wichita falls, tx
Member since Dec 2008
417 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 9:04 am to
I was 15 at the time and usually ABC only showed one game on Sat afternoon, occaisionally, a double-header. Those were rare with a Neb-OU or USC-UCLA late in the season. Now, LSU only played at night, of course, but their one game that year was an afternoon game in Jackson against Archie and friends. The lack of TV exposure, almost always night only football, hurt the Tigers in those days. The "elite" football press of that era were already done with thier stories of gridiron prowess for the day when LSU usually took the field. The Michigan's, the Ohio States, the ND, and the Penn State's of the world were already done playing with their noon start times and such. Heck, even USC and UCLA were done playing and stories filed by 7pm CST. So....who even knew LSU, except for an occaisional blip on the football screen during bowl season. Even when the tigers went to ND the next year they were portrayed in the press as this little school from the SEC coming to play Joe Theisman and the powerful Fightin Irish. There was no respect for the Tigers or anybody else except the "bear" and his bunch. I'm ranting, sorry.
Posted by DenverTigerMan
Denver
Member since Nov 2005
2288 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 9:05 am to
All of the historical comments listed above are factual. Had Notre Dame not ended their self-imposed ban on bowl games, LSU would be playing for a national championship that year. And, LSU did not lose to Ole Miss that year, they lost to Archie Manning, who was as slippery as a greased pig in that game. Very frustrating!

As for the final rankings, you can see how inequitable they were at the time. Regional biases led to teams with worse records being ranked higher than teams with superior records. This is what happens when voters decide a national championship. It was decades in the making, but this is what led to the college football playoffs we have now.

On another note, I'll be in Sydney for Vivid Sydney at the end of May. Be sure to order good weather for me, mate!
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 9:07 am
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
204334 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 9:06 am to
One of the best Tiger teams ever.... the defense gave up like 600 yards rushing the whole season.... they were snubbed by the cotton bowl because Norte Dame decieded to end its bowl hiatus and the cotton bowl thought them against Texas would be a better game...... so LSU chose to just stay at home......
Posted by SpeckTigerLure
Member since Nov 2016
511 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 9:10 am to
The biggest lasting legacy that 1969 team left was the start of the Perry Bowl. Lloyd Perry was a member of the team and his dad bought out a local bar in town for the team to celebrate the season. Not having a Bowl that year they named the party that night the Perry Bowl which in the years following morphed into a hazing event held the Tuesday following the Tulane game. This was were Tigers for many years initiated freshman on this date. It was finally stopped by Mike Archer after many years of trying
Posted by Malaysian Tiger
Manila
Member since May 2008
4732 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 9:22 am to
1970 Ole Miss came to LSU and lost 61-17 to LSU! Tommy Casanova and Craig Burns set a record that will probably never be broken running back 3 Punts for TD's. Casanova ran 2 and Burns ran 1 for TD's. Two of the greatest Punt Returners in History on the same team.
Posted by MetryTyger
Metro NOLA, LA
Member since Jan 2004
15609 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 9:37 am to
quote:

dukke v
1969 football season final rankings by dukke v

One of the best Tiger teams ever.... the defense gave up like 600 yards rushing the whole season.... they were snubbed by the cotton bowl because Norte Dame decieded to end its bowl hiatus and the cotton bowl thought them against Texas would be a better game...... so LSU chose to just stay at home......





Actually, LSU set an NCAA record for rushing yards allowed per game at 39.4.
This means they only gave up 394 yards rushing the entire season. The record may still stand, not sure.

Aside - I'm showing my age, but - that Oct. 25 Auburn game being my first game and LSU game program as a Tiger fan, I want to try and list some of the names of that team that I remember:
Anderson, Bevan, Michaelson, Lumpkin, Cascio, Thomason, Burns, Casanova, Percy, Myles, Hamilton, Lee, Hillman, Gilbert, Ray, Norsworthy, Zaunbrecher, Eggleston, Jaubert, Stober, Stuart, Dantin, Cantrelle, Lyons,
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 11:36 am
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