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re: Anyone ever add crab boil to a brine?
Posted on 3/6/17 at 2:18 pm to KosmoCramer
Posted on 3/6/17 at 2:18 pm to KosmoCramer
A brine is used for salt to penetrate the meat so you dont lose juice in the cooking process. It is not used for flavoring purposes.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 3:17 pm to ruzil
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he crab boil won't permeate the chicken.
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Yes it will when you sprinkle it on and put in in an ice chest.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 3:40 pm to Prairie Tiger
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brine is used for salt to penetrate the meat so you dont lose juice in the cooking process. It is not used for flavoring purposes.
Salt doesn't really penetrate the protein and embed in there. It breaks down surface proteins and allow the protein to retain it's moisture that it naturally has.
And I agree that the flavor is not absorbed. I'm confused why my comments have been lambasted on here. It's just science
Posted on 3/6/17 at 4:10 pm to KosmoCramer
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And I agree that the flavor is not absorbed. I'm confused why my comments have been lambasted on here.
Because you're wrong. Ever brined anything with crab boil in it? I'll answer for you... no you have never brined anything with crab boil. If you had you would know that you can pick up some crab boil flavor. You can seriously alter the flavor of meats with brines and marinades. Put your science book down and go soak some meat in some shite.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 4:37 pm to Jibbajabba
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I have heard (read never done it before) that dropping a brisket in used crawfish boil water is the end all be all way to prepare a brisket before smoking.
I've been boiling my st Patrick's day corned beef in crab boil the last few years and it's been great, better than only the tiny packet that come prepackaged.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 4:48 pm to Parrish
Thanks for the feedback everyone I'll have to throw a little crab boil in next time to see if I notice a difference
Posted on 3/6/17 at 4:59 pm to KosmoCramer
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which won't enter the bird and neither will the flavor of the brine
Can't go along with the flavor thing. I've brined chicken in a mixture with peppers and it was very noticeable.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 6:52 pm to Fratigerguy
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I was severely depressed seeing the brining with dye a week or so back.
I've posted such pics from Amazing Ribs. They are to demonstrate how much a marinade does not penetrate meat. Brines are different.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:04 pm to LSUballs
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Because you're wrong. Ever brined anything with crab boil in it? I'll answer for you... no you have never brined anything with crab boil.
Maybe on the skin and very exterior of the protein, the same as if say you rubbed it with crab boil?
Maybe expand your mind to science and stop being a condescending fricking a-hole?
Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:30 pm to Twenty 49
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a marinade does not penetrate meat. Brines are different
How so?
Posted on 3/6/17 at 9:10 pm to KosmoCramer
This is a shitty explanation based on a good eats episode so take it with a grain of salt. The brine and the water in the bird basically reach an equilibrium and become intertwined.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 9:37 pm to TH03
Osmosis has very little to do with why brining is effective, it's all about diffusion.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:10 pm to KosmoCramer
Try something. Report your findings. Quit regurgitatatung shite you read or watch that you've never acted on. You once told a dude to reverse sear a 1/2" Waffle House ribeye. Shut the frick up.
This post was edited on 3/6/17 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 3/7/17 at 5:40 am to TH03
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The brine and the water in the bird basically reach an equilibrium and become intertwined.
This.
Ive used crab boil for chicken. Liquid crab boil. Works great
Posted on 3/7/17 at 9:42 am to KosmoCramer
Eh, not true. Because science and stuff.
From ATK:
How Does Brining Work?
Brining promotes a change in the structure of the proteins in the muscle. Many have attributed the added juiciness of brined chicken to osmosis—the flow of water across a barrier from a place with a higher water concentration (the brine) to a place with a lower one (the chicken). We decided to test this explanation.
If osmosis is in fact the source of the added juiciness of brined meat, we reasoned, then a bucket of pure unsalted water should add moisture at least as well as a brine, because water alone has the highest water concentration possible: 100 percent. After soaking one chicken in brine and another in water for the same amount of time, we found that both had gained moisture, about 6 percent by weight.
Satisfied that osmosis was indeed the force driving the addition of moisture to meat during brining, we roasted the two birds, along with a third straight out of the package. We would soon discover that osmosis was not the only reason why brined meat cooked up juicy. During roasting, the chicken taken straight from the package lost 18 percent of its original weight, and the chicken soaked in water lost 12 percent of its presoak weight. Remarkably, the brined bird shed only a mere 7 percent of its starting weight. Looking at our test results, we realized that the benefit of brining could not be explained by osmosis alone. Salt, too, was playing a crucial role by aiding in the retention of water. Table salt is made up of two ions, sodium and chloride, that are oppositely charged. Proteins, such as those in meat, are large molecules that contain a mosaic of charges, negative and positive. When proteins are placed in a solution containing salt, they readjust their shape to accommodate the opposing charges. This rearrangement of the protein molecules compromises the structural integrity of the meat, reducing its overall toughness. It also creates gaps that fill up with water. The added salt makes the water less likely to evaporate during cooking, and the result is meat that is both juicy and tender.
From ATK:
How Does Brining Work?
Brining promotes a change in the structure of the proteins in the muscle. Many have attributed the added juiciness of brined chicken to osmosis—the flow of water across a barrier from a place with a higher water concentration (the brine) to a place with a lower one (the chicken). We decided to test this explanation.
If osmosis is in fact the source of the added juiciness of brined meat, we reasoned, then a bucket of pure unsalted water should add moisture at least as well as a brine, because water alone has the highest water concentration possible: 100 percent. After soaking one chicken in brine and another in water for the same amount of time, we found that both had gained moisture, about 6 percent by weight.
Satisfied that osmosis was indeed the force driving the addition of moisture to meat during brining, we roasted the two birds, along with a third straight out of the package. We would soon discover that osmosis was not the only reason why brined meat cooked up juicy. During roasting, the chicken taken straight from the package lost 18 percent of its original weight, and the chicken soaked in water lost 12 percent of its presoak weight. Remarkably, the brined bird shed only a mere 7 percent of its starting weight. Looking at our test results, we realized that the benefit of brining could not be explained by osmosis alone. Salt, too, was playing a crucial role by aiding in the retention of water. Table salt is made up of two ions, sodium and chloride, that are oppositely charged. Proteins, such as those in meat, are large molecules that contain a mosaic of charges, negative and positive. When proteins are placed in a solution containing salt, they readjust their shape to accommodate the opposing charges. This rearrangement of the protein molecules compromises the structural integrity of the meat, reducing its overall toughness. It also creates gaps that fill up with water. The added salt makes the water less likely to evaporate during cooking, and the result is meat that is both juicy and tender.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 5:41 pm to LSUballs
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Try something. Report your findings. Quit regurgitatatung shite you read or watch that you've never acted on. You once told a dude to reverse sear a 1/2" Waffle House ribeye. Shut the frick up.
Dear lord, What's your fricking problem, dude?
I didn't realize you were such a condescending fricking prick that isn't open to alternative answers to questions, backed up by science/facts and experience. You're the one that needs to grow the frick up.
Good to know.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 5:46 pm to pigpickin
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How Does Brining Work?
Brining promotes a change in the structure of the proteins in the muscle. Many have attributed the added juiciness of brined chicken to osmosis—the flow of water across a barrier from a place with a higher water concentration (the brine) to a place with a lower one (the chicken). We decided to test this explanation.
If osmosis is in fact the source of the added juiciness of brined meat, we reasoned, then a bucket of pure unsalted water should add moisture at least as well as a brine, because water alone has the highest water concentration possible: 100 percent. After soaking one chicken in brine and another in water for the same amount of time, we found that both had gained moisture, about 6 percent by weight.
Satisfied that osmosis was indeed the force driving the addition of moisture to meat during brining, we roasted the two birds, along with a third straight out of the package. We would soon discover that osmosis was not the only reason why brined meat cooked up juicy. During roasting, the chicken taken straight from the package lost 18 percent of its original weight, and the chicken soaked in water lost 12 percent of its presoak weight. Remarkably, the brined bird shed only a mere 7 percent of its starting weight. Looking at our test results, we realized that the benefit of brining could not be explained by osmosis alone. Salt, too, was playing a crucial role by aiding in the retention of water. Table salt is made up of two ions, sodium and chloride, that are oppositely charged. Proteins, such as those in meat, are large molecules that contain a mosaic of charges, negative and positive. When proteins are placed in a solution containing salt, they readjust their shape to accommodate the opposing charges. This rearrangement of the protein molecules compromises the structural integrity of the meat, reducing its overall toughness. It also creates gaps that fill up with water. The added salt makes the water less likely to evaporate during cooking, and the result is meat that is both juicy and tender.
So tiny molecules of water (H20) slightly raise the weight of a protein, and even tinier molecules of salt (NaCl) also flow through the cell wall to a slight extent. None of the water is retained throughout the cooking process, and the sale also leaves with the water when cooked.
Molecules of sugar and crab boil are much larger molecules and have no penetration aside from on the very surface of the protein.
This is what ATK is saying. I'm confused how this disproves anything I previously said in this thread.
And LSUBalls is still a fricking, know-it-all, science denying prick.
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 5:48 pm
Posted on 3/7/17 at 5:56 pm to KosmoCramer
I don't know what you're talking about. Nor do I care. I just think it's funny to see you still blabbing away in a thread about brining with crab boil having never brined anything with crab boil. Feel free to keep humiliating yourself though, pal.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 6:38 pm to KosmoCramer
They are referring to liquid crab boil. While it may not move across cell membranes during a brining, what keeps it from moving into the extra cellular space in the tissue?
Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:02 pm to Jake88
In fact, liquid crab boil seems ideal for a brine/marinade.
It's totally dissolved in water, so it should be able to be carried into the meat with ease.
As for the fact that marinades/brines only penetrate the very surface of meat, so what?
When you rub a chicken, you only season the surface of the meat, too.
It's totally dissolved in water, so it should be able to be carried into the meat with ease.
As for the fact that marinades/brines only penetrate the very surface of meat, so what?
When you rub a chicken, you only season the surface of the meat, too.
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