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re: Can anyone logically defend the 21 drinking age law?
Posted on 2/11/17 at 10:30 am to cahoots
Posted on 2/11/17 at 10:30 am to cahoots
quote:Which is why I said "alcohol related incidents"... a death doesn't have to occur.
I think some stats show that drunk driving deaths decreased, but that coincided with safer cars...
That way the argument of safer cars is removed.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 10:31 am to PrimeTime Money
I don't deny there are arguments. There can be an argument for anything. It doesn't mean it's logical.
My main argument is that there should be an established age of majority. It doesn't make sense to say that you are an adult for this purpose, but not for this purpose.
I don't have a problem with a 21 drinking age, but the voting age, military enlistment age, etc., should be raised as well.
My main argument is that there should be an established age of majority. It doesn't make sense to say that you are an adult for this purpose, but not for this purpose.
I don't have a problem with a 21 drinking age, but the voting age, military enlistment age, etc., should be raised as well.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 10:34 am to AUstar
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alcohol to an immature brain might cause harm (though I don't remember specifics or have any studies to cite, but Google can probably help here). The brain doesn't fully develop until the mid 20's.
That should disqualify 17 year olds from enlisting in our armed forces.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 10:35 am to Lou Pai
Because the only problems with alcohol are automobile related???
Posted on 2/11/17 at 10:35 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Can anyone logically defend the 21 drinking age law?
No.
Europe is actually right on this.
Can drink if you can see over the bar.
Can't drive until 21.
We let idiots on the road regardless of drink... Twitter, texting, favorite teenage song.
Raise the driving age.
Drinking should have no age. Parents teaching personal responsibility...What a concept?
This post was edited on 2/11/17 at 10:38 am
Posted on 2/11/17 at 10:42 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:No, even if you dislike it it's a perfectly logical argument.
I don't deny there are arguments. There can be an argument for anything. It doesn't mean it's logical. My main argument is that there should be an established age of majority. It doesn't make sense to say that you are an adult for this purpose, but not for this purpose. I don't have a problem with a 21 drinking age, but the voting age, military enlistment age, etc., should be raised as well.
It makes perfect sense to have different ages for things. You may be mature enough to do one thing but not mature enough to do another thing.
Now, you may disagree with the law as to which ages should correspond with which event, but it is perfectly logical that different events have different levels of responsibility.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 10:46 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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gamble (except on Indian Reservations, which are mostly 18).
All of the casinos out here in AZ are Indian Res ones.....and you still have to be 21
Posted on 2/11/17 at 10:48 am to Bjorn Cyborg
There is no defending it. It is a completely arbitrary concoction motivated by any logical argument made by emotionally driven people and groups like Mothers Against Drunk Driving. It is a classic example of the do something mentality. The argument that it supposedly reduces drunk driving is stupid. Raising the age to 50 would reduce drunk driving also. That doesn't make it good f****** policy
Posted on 2/11/17 at 10:51 am to Bjorn Cyborg
In 1950 the legal drinking age in New Iberia was about 6. That's when you were old enough to use one of these:
We didn't have pull tabs, pop tops or screw caps back in those days.
We didn't have pull tabs, pop tops or screw caps back in those days.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 10:53 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:Very easy to logically explain the illogical reasoning of the government: if common sense was instituted, there would be less need for the government. So it must create complicated and illogical policies so that there are more problems for it solve. It's self-preservation, and we allow it at our own expense.
Can anyone logically defend the 21 drinking age law?
This post was edited on 2/11/17 at 10:54 am
Posted on 2/11/17 at 10:54 am to AUstar
quote:what does medical evidence say about people smoking cigarettes at 18 compared to drinking at 18?
The brain doesn't fully develop until the mid 20's.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 11:26 am to PrimeTime Money
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You may be mature enough to do one thing but not mature enough to do another thing.
I agree for individuals. I've known extremely mature 15-year-olds and immature 25-year-olds.
You can't do it a person-by-person basis, though.
Are you making the argument that a person that is mature enough to enlist in the armed forces, may not be mature enough to have a beer?
Because that is completely illogical.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 11:31 am to Bjorn Cyborg
You can enlist at 17 with your parents signature.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 11:33 am to Roger Klarvin
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Nope
16 year olds shouldn't be allowed to drive though IMO.
Some states license them at 15.
I got my motorcycle license when I was 14.
This post was edited on 2/11/17 at 11:34 am
Posted on 2/11/17 at 11:37 am to bamafan1001
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This is a tough one for me. Think about how stupid you were at 21, double that, and you get 18.
The libertarian in me is also conflicted. If we were to change it to 18, why not just abolish the age restriction completely. Why 18?
I think 19 or 20 is a reasonable change because that excludes HS kids.
A physiological argument: it could be hypothesized that those close to the legal age are more likely to think themselves ready to drink and are more likely to drink underage. If we were to move the age to 18 15-17 year olds would then be the ones more likely to underage drink. Drinking alcohol to get drunk at an age where you are still developing your body and brain is not a good thing to do..
Disregarding the medical arguments, I've always been of the mindset that's it's better to get such shite out of your system sooner rather than later. I feel like this 21 drinking age is just another of the many things we are doing to stunt the progress to adulthood of the youth of today.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 11:40 am to Bjorn Cyborg
After you graduate HS you are issued a stand on your DL saying you can legally purchase alcohol. If you drop out and get a GED, you can't get that stamp until 19 y/o
Posted on 2/11/17 at 11:41 am to Bjorn Cyborg
No. It should be 25. The brain is not fully developed until then.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 11:47 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Marry, enlist, buy tobacco, vote, jail, death penalty, civil liability, and the list goes on.
Which one of these seriously impairs judgment by messing with the chemicals in your brain?
Posted on 2/11/17 at 11:51 am to Jake88
quote:yay lets be nannies and tell grown ups what they can and can't do.
No. It should be 25. The brain is not fully developed until then.
High sugar content fricks with insulin levels messing up hormone growth and regulation. Should have to be 21 to buy anything with high fructose corn syrup
Posted on 2/11/17 at 11:52 am to pwejr88
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Which one of these seriously impairs judgment by messing with the chemicals in your brain?
The military, prison and the death penalty can have serious affect on your health.
Tobacco is one of the biggest killers in this country.
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