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re: US education rankings since 1980
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:07 pm to Jjdoc
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:07 pm to Jjdoc
quote:
I started a thread asking a question. Is that not allowed?
1. You didn't ask a question.
2. It's generally poor form to start a thread to ask for empirical information that you should be able to seek out for yourself--especially since you obviously have some point you want to make.
If you need to ask a question about differing perspectives, personal experiences in a field or subject, etc, that's one thing. Asking for some shite you can just google is rachet.
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Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:08 pm to Jjdoc
You also need to start the question with "Does anyone have" not "Come on with." "Do/does/did" is a syntactic marker in questions without auxiliary verbs.
As opposed to some languages where you just put the question mark at the end and don't change the sentence structure.
As opposed to some languages where you just put the question mark at the end and don't change the sentence structure.
This post was edited on 2/7/17 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:10 pm to Iosh
Lol. Still no answer.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:11 pm to Jjdoc
This doesn't have our world rankings but should be a dose of reality to those wringing their hands over something as useless as the Dept of Education.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:13 pm to JoeHackett
Interesting.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:13 pm to Jjdoc
:englishmotherfricker?doyouspeakit?:
This post was edited on 2/7/17 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:14 pm to Jjdoc
Index since 1980 The chart is easier to read than the numbers on the info webpage, but the links to the official data are there.
The U.S. was #2 in 1980.
#3 in 1995
#5 in 2000
#4 in 2005
#4 in 2010
#5 in 2013
Looks like there has been no significant statistical improvement since the Department of Education was formed
The U.S. was #2 in 1980.
#3 in 1995
#5 in 2000
#4 in 2005
#4 in 2010
#5 in 2013
Looks like there has been no significant statistical improvement since the Department of Education was formed
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:17 pm to KaiserSoze99
the countries that passed US for rankings got a major education overhaul between 1980 to 2010
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:17 pm to KaiserSoze99
So this is why the snowflakes avoided posting data.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:20 pm to KaiserSoze99
quote:
Looks like there has been no significant statistical improvement since the Department of Education was formed
Except our score has improved. Our score in 1980 was 0.790 and now it is 0.890. Given that the index is scored from 0 to 1, that is an improvement. Other countries have seemingly improved more, but the US has been consistently top five in those rankings since 1980.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:27 pm to fareplay
Well you should be happy because the US is about to get a major education overhaul!
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:29 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:
Except our score has improved. Our score in 1980 was 0.790 and now it is 0.890. Given that the index is scored from 0 to 1, that is an improvement. Other countries have seemingly improved more, but the US has been consistently top five in those rankings since 1980.
All that scores proves is that people are staying in school longer than they were 40 years ago. When you look at actual test scores, we aren't in the top 5.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:31 pm to fareplay
quote:Not necessarily. It could mean that the supply of teachers is so low that it's inflating teacher salaries.
It wouldnt be uncommon to say country which pays x for teachers cares more about education than country which pays x/2
Likewise, if the only metric you are using is salary, it could be argued that US teacher salaries are lower because there are a surplus of US citizens who aspire to be teachers, perhaps because our culture values education so highly.
That said, pre-college education in the US is largely a pile of shite. Particularly when it comes to preparing our kids for 21st century jobs. Coding and/or Data Science should be (at least) an elective option at every US High School
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:31 pm to crazy4lsu
Score-wise we aren't in the top 5. If I remember correctly, it's the teens.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:33 pm to JoeHackett
Smaller rich countries having an advantage? My god.
Also shanghai is a fricking city and so is hong kong and singapore.
Also shanghai is a fricking city and so is hong kong and singapore.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:33 pm to funnystuff
quote:
Likewise, if the only metric you are using is salary, it could be argued that US teacher salaries are lower because there are a surplus of US citizens who aspire to be teachers, perhaps because our culture values education so highly.
And because salaries are the result of CBAs, individual teacher's salaries are held back by the lowest common denominator.
For most teacher openings in my area, there will be at least 100 and as many as 400 applicants for a single job.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:33 pm to Scruffy
quote:
Score-wise we aren't in the top 5. If I remember correctly, it's the teens.
I'm well aware. I'm specifically talking about the Education Index, in which our score improved. I have no clue as to their methodology so I can't speak to its soundness.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:34 pm to fareplay
quote:
Friend of mine from Vancouver is a music teacher making 93k in 3rd year
Of course, that's a little over 70K in USD.
I'm OK with paying teachers more, if we can get rid of tenure. I have a problem with teachers being guaranteed a huge salary, even if they suck...
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:34 pm to Jjdoc
I'm sure the 1980s Supreme Court decision that illegals could not be turned away from public schools (or charged tuition for reimbursement) was a killer for public education. Surly foreigners who won't speak English and are illiterate in their home language is tough to overcome.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:35 pm to Jax-Tiger
quote:Don't confuse him. He majored in agricultural economics. They don't learn about things like currency exchange rates and stuff.....
Friend of mine from Vancouver is a music teacher making 93k in 3rd year
Of course, that's a little over 70K in USD.
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