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re: H-1B Visa Bill Introduced In US, Minimum Pay More Than Doubled
Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:57 am to StormyMcMan
Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:57 am to StormyMcMan
Works for me. I'd never pay a physician below that amount anyway. Shouldn't have any effect on medical H-1B's.
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Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:57 am to TrueTiger
quote:Pretty sure it won't be the Dem's opposing this one.
Dems always call for wage increases.
How can they oppose this?
Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:57 am to GumboPot
I have no idea but is there a large supply of US coders out of work to fill these jobs?
Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:59 am to mmcgrath
I'm not sure Trump would oppose.
It's basically a tarrif on imported services.
It's basically a tarrif on imported services.
This post was edited on 1/31/17 at 11:00 am
Posted on 1/31/17 at 11:01 am to TrueTiger
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I'm not sure Trump would oppose.
True.
Trump want's Americans getting these jobs before H1Bs get them.
In this case H1Bs would be most companies 2nd choice.
Disney would be fricked.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 11:01 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Why do you like higher prices?
Here is what has happened in tech in America due to H1B abuse:
T1 is gone. All offshored to India
T2 is mostly H1Bs, driving down real wages
T3 and INFOSEC have lots of unfilled positions because they cant find qualified candidates. Why? See the 2 statements above. Now we have people with no experience going to school for a "Masters in Security" or some other bs just to look qualified to get the T3 jobs - but they dont have any real experience in the field.
You live in a theoretical world where H1Bs decrease costs. What good are decreased costs if it means the American skilled worker cant afford to buy anything?
Outsource and Offshore dumb labor. Dont sell middle class skilled workers out.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 11:01 am to mmcgrath
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Pretty sure it won't be the Dem's opposing this one.
Yup. This will be opposed by an unholy union of the Liberal technocrats on the west coast and various other members of Big Business on the right who've been exploiting H1B for awhile.
Although, I could see a few Democrats (the ones in the pockets of Google, Amazon, BookFace, etc) being against it publicly.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 11:03 am to jcole4lsu
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Now we have people with no experience going to school for a "Masters in Security" or some other bs just to look qualified to get the T3 jobs
Ugh THIS. I don't know how many people I've run across with a Bachelor's or Master's Degree in "information security" or "cybersecurity" that don't know jack shite but think they're qualified for a senior analyst or engineer position.
Jesus half of them can't even fully explain the OSI Model or perform basic packet capture analysis.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 11:05 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
To be fair, and I am on the america first train, most of the america first policies are going to raise prices, costs, etc.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 11:08 am to Centinel
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Ugh THIS. I don't know how many people I've run across with a Bachelor's or Master's Degree in "information security" or "cybersecurity" that don't know jack shite but think they're qualified for a senior analyst or engineer position.
Jesus half of them can't even fully explain the OSI Model or perform basic packet capture analysis.
Its not even their fault. They cant find decent lower level jobs to gain the experience, so they go the school route.
Problem is - they dont know whats normal. If you dont know normal, how can you detect when something is abnormal? Answer: once its too late
Posted on 1/31/17 at 11:08 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Don't support at all. Tech labor from india has played a large role in the growing affordability of information devices and technology for US consumers. You raise those input costs and it will get ugly with the consumer backlash
frick you, this is great for America and for the tech field
Posted on 1/31/17 at 11:09 am to Cypdog
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To be fair, and I am on the america first train, most of the america first policies are going to raise prices, costs, etc.
And that's where the American voter has to decide if jobs and a stable economy is more important than getting a killer deal at wally-world.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 11:11 am to StormyMcMan
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Builds a bridge from F-1 student status to Lawful Permanent Residence by:
Providing for “dual intent” for students, as well as O-1 (Extraordinary Ability), P (Athletes, Artists, and Entertainers) and free trade visa holders, so they are not denied visas solely on the basis that they might intend to immigrate to the United States;
Permitting experience gained on the job with the employer to count for the purposes of labor certification;
Providing employment and travel authorization to those with approved employment-based petitions awaiting visa availability, so they have similar protections to those provided portability under the American Competitiveness in the 21st Century Act.
I really like this section of the bill as it keeps students who are educated in the US to remain and work easier.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 11:12 am to StormyMcMan
That will do it.
That keeps the H-1B visas tied to the most skilled jobs with the most expertise. That's the original intent of this policy anyways. The super genius that is developing strategy at Tesla or Google earns well above this. The low and mid skilled jobs often do not. Tech companies will be encouraged to start developing people in the heartland where the costs of living are lower. That's what they should have been doing the past 10 years.
That keeps the H-1B visas tied to the most skilled jobs with the most expertise. That's the original intent of this policy anyways. The super genius that is developing strategy at Tesla or Google earns well above this. The low and mid skilled jobs often do not. Tech companies will be encouraged to start developing people in the heartland where the costs of living are lower. That's what they should have been doing the past 10 years.
This post was edited on 1/31/17 at 11:15 am
Posted on 1/31/17 at 11:12 am to jcole4lsu
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Problem is - they dont know whats normal. If you dont know normal, how can you detect when something is abnormal? Answer: once its too late
Yup!
That's why I've always been an advocate of anyone interested in the security field to put at least four to five years in learning system and network fundamentals. Degree-wise, I usually recommend a Computer Science or Computer Engineering. MUCH better preparation than a degree in Security. That and they won't try to stab their eyes out when they take the GREM
Posted on 1/31/17 at 11:16 am to StormyMcMan
FYI this is the approach the Trump admin. appears to be taking:
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The High-Skilled Integrity and Fairness Act of 2017 introduced by California Congressman Zoe Lofgren (D) is obviously an attempt by the Dems to jump out in front of Trump on this issue. They know Trump wants to help these American workers effected by H1B abuse. The Dems want to gain and/or protect those votes.
This is a big opportunity for the Trump admin. and the GOP jump on this issue. However this is also a hot potato for the GOPe. They are bought and paid for by the companies that currently abuse the H1B system.
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Earlier this month, Trump’s policy chief Stephen Miller suggested scrapping the current lottery process and instead soliciting visa petitions for jobs that pay the highest salaries.
This plan is a nod to a bipartisan bill first introduced to Congress in 2007 by Senators Chuck Grassley and Dick Durbin, which “prioritizes American workers and restores fairness in visa programs for skilled foreign workers.” The legislation, reintroduced last week, would get rid of the lottery system and crack down on outsourcing companies.
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The High-Skilled Integrity and Fairness Act of 2017 introduced by California Congressman Zoe Lofgren (D) is obviously an attempt by the Dems to jump out in front of Trump on this issue. They know Trump wants to help these American workers effected by H1B abuse. The Dems want to gain and/or protect those votes.
This is a big opportunity for the Trump admin. and the GOP jump on this issue. However this is also a hot potato for the GOPe. They are bought and paid for by the companies that currently abuse the H1B system.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 11:18 am to StormyMcMan
It closes the loophole since the original $60k minimal was not index to inflation.
It means a company could be justified getting a visa for a $75k foreign worker to replace a $100k US citizen.
It means a company could be justified getting a visa for a $75k foreign worker to replace a $100k US citizen.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 11:20 am to BaddestAndvari
Where will the money come from to pay more for tech workers?
Posted on 1/31/17 at 11:20 am to gatorsimz
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About time. $60k to $130k seems alarming, but it equals to 2.8% increase yearly over 28 years.
$130,000 would keep the highest skilled people at the most innovative companies safe. The original intent of this program was to bring in people who can offer something no one else can.
We need to tie that $130,000 to inflation so we don't have this problem again for a long time.
I know a Democrat proposed this, but this bill probably has more support among republicans than Democrats at this time.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 11:22 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Where will the money come from to pay more for tech workers?
I guess Mark Zuckerburg will just have to sell one of the 4 houses he's bought in Palo Alto because they can see into his back yard.
This is probably something that Trump and most Democrats agree on. This loophole's exploitation for cheap labor is driven by corporate greed. It was never intended to be what it is today.
This post was edited on 1/31/17 at 11:24 am
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